/me cries

You broke your penis mobile!

Ouch... What happened?

I slid on a wet road and slammed into a guard rail, I bet.

BTW I hate your car and hate you for driving it.

Now you have a reason to buy a lotus or an m series BMW.

Looks like gbk finally banged something!

I wish.

How it probably went:

gbk: LOL, IM IN AN AWESOME SPORTS CAR I CAN TAKE TURNS
gbk: LOL, IM IN AN AWESOME SPORTS CAR I CAN TAKE TURNS

Good thing it was only a Pontiac.

People like you don't deserve decent cars

Also, it's just body damage and shouldn't cost *that* much to fix. Just a few panels?

Most awesome reply in this entire thread.

that sucks, good luck getting it sorted

Pontiacs are NOT decent cars.

car doesn't look too bad,

shame though

Pontiacs are decent cars, they're just not great cars. Most cars are decent, they're simply not great. The 2009 Pontiac Solstice is a pleasure to drive. I drove a BMW M3 convertible around for 2 weeks while I was vacationing in France & while it was fun to drive, it's rather impractical & I found myself wishing that I had my Toyota Yaris there instead.

How much damage did you incur? Good luck.

The way cars a built these days, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the whole unibody is out of whack and it's totaled. Modern cars have an interesting way of making moderate collisions look not as bad as they really are.

very true.

I'd be interested to find out if there was any damage to the axle at the front and rear, the body work is quite...soft, in relation, but the axle's are not designed for much give in a sideways direction.

As for frame and the whole unibody, I'd be tempted to say it should be ok, my guess would be that you got some oversteer on the corner, the back of the car hit the barrier followed by the front at a slightly more acute angle. It doesn't look like you just slid into the barrier with all four wheels with no grip, nor with you getting understeer and hitting with the front first, as the back end would then be unlikely to hit as well.

I'm basically asking for info on the crash (I've crashed myself and spent a good few days going over it my head exactly how it happened)

Either way the relative speed towards the barrier would probably have been only about 10-15 mph I'd have a guess (unless gbk's a nutter), there's a reasonable chance the frame should be ok.

GBK, sorry to hear. Happened to me a couple of weeks ago. Coming onto the highway in light rain. It was a very short merge into the slow lane, one of the ones where you have to be intently looking behind you while intently looking up front to make sure the guy ahead didn't chicken out and slam on the brakes in lieu of merging.

Not sure exactly why the traction was so low (light rain, same exit I take every day for over a year and a half, all four seasons), but when, almost done with merging, I came back on the throttle the back kicked out and I got into that pendulum of over-correction, finally ending up sliding slowly across the lanes, facing perpendicular. I was only going 30 or so at the start, and maybe 10 or so when I touched the guard rail, so relatively minor damage: replace the bumper, a headlight and the hood.

Still feel like an ***.

So he should be driving a civic hybrid? :downs:


Sorry about the car, crashing your baby always sucks, its definitely one of the worst feelings in the world. Have insurance fix it for you and you'll feel good as new.

20 seconds of laughing. I kid u not.

GBK i had no idea you owned [past tense] such a sweet set of wheels

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Maybe he should have been driving an SUV. :downs:

It's not a unibody, it's a space frame or similar design.

Naw man, can't get dun durn bettar dan dher dur American cars! Built Ford tough! :haw:

American quality is a myth.

But but but but...the electrical system suddenly dying out on my Cobalt on College Ave. and Oceanside Blvd...that's not Chevrolet's fault!

And its people like yourself who perpetuate that way of thinking. American cars are as good or if not better then some of the imports in the past 2 years.

you could keep buying your jap burners and drive our economy further down the ****hole though. I mean thats the smart thing to do amirite?!





I fail to see how a reference to an old thread debating the usefulness of an SUV for its cargo space has any relevance to the thread at hand.

Consumer Reports reported American cars in 2005-2006 as being significantly less reliable (first google result japanese vs american cars).


Actually, they are pretty good, I'm just trolling.


If you really think buying Japanese cars makes the economy go to ****, you need to learn a bit more about economics.

If we didn't have to spend the money to bail out the American car companies, and if dealerships around the country didn't have to close down because of the lack of sales, that would certainly have helped.

Yes, but the real cause of the state of our economy isn't a problem with where we get our cars.

Nope, and I didn't say it was. I just implied that it is a contributing factor.

How do we say "stingy banks" ?

Unless you have $35,000 to drop on your Ford F-150 at that moment, you have to finance your car. This involves banks lending. Banks are now finally starting to lend again. However, you have to have some damn good credit. Banks do not trust you at all now. I agree, bailing out GM, Chrystler/Daimler was a bad decision.

If you don't have damn good credit you shouldn't be buying a new car in the first place. I have great credit & recently purchased a 2009 Toyota Yaris for my wife without any issues & we'll have it paid off in no time. Before that I bought cars used because my credit wasn't yet established. I had a 1984 Nissan/Datsun 200SX that I paid $350 for & it worked fine for several years. After that I had (& still have) a 1993 Mazda Protege that I bought in 2000/2001 for $3500 cash (it's basically the same thing as a 1993 Ford Escort GT) which has been one of the most reliable cars that I've ever seen (I've watched several friends & family members go through 1-2 new cars while I've sat back & enjoyed all of the extra money that I've had because I wasn't in debt. New cars are for people that can afford it & used cars are for people that can't. I love it when I hear that about a bank lending to someone to start a new small business (like a friend of mine who was just approved for a new restaurant) because it'll potentially create new jobs but I hate to hear about banks lending money to risky people for new cars when there's absolutely nothing wrong with owning a used car.

Err, the reason that US car companies have gone down the crapper is because most of them were horrid compared to all the imports, even now.

In fact the only good large US manufacturer that I can think of is Ford, and that's probably why they're one of the few that are still doing ok. It may be bad for your economy, but GM finally taking a **** and dying is good for the motorist.

If only Toyota would manufacture vehicles in the USA...

...oh, wait.

Right right right. It also didn't matter that unions were absolutely crucifying the auto industry with their incredibly high wage/benefit package, or the consistent poor quality compared to other foreign brands. That stuff doesn't matter. Lack of sales is a result of poor products and consumer choice. You seem to be looking at the failure of the auto industries backwards, as if it was someone else's fault it was doing poorly.

(you beat me to it)

I need a car. Anyone know where I can find a car that 's not going to need a ridiculous amount of repairs for around 5 grand or less?

how do i shot economy

1.) The United States strictly regulates how many foreign-manufactured vehicles can be sold. Most "jap burners" (holy ****, racism) are manufactured in the United States with American labor.

2.) GM, Ford and Chrysler do not (generally, see #6) horizontally or vertically integrate. Major foreign car manufacturers do, which makes them more resistant to the effects of a major recession.

3.) Before the recession GM and Chrysler made zero effort to differentiate their products. If there are many perfect substitutes for a product on the market, it means that product cannot turn a profit.

4.) Gasoline is a complementary good. Ford, GM and Chrysler are years behind Toyota and Honda in fuel efficiency.

5.) The UAW is more powerful than the car manufacturers, so they end up with more of the car companies' surplus.

6.) GM, Ford and Chrysler make/made most of their money from financial services, which kinda... you know....

ffs. You can't blame the consumer for choosing a better product. That's not the way the ****ing economy works.

I'd like to say that's easy, but I don't know anything about buying a car in the states.