Poorly-made movies are poorly-received.

Yeah, but it's not hollow rubbish. It's an expertly executed beautiful movie. I seriously cannot fathom the hate this movie is getting from the vocal minority.

EDIT: And god forbid we can try to appreciate something a man worked half his life to accomplish. Let's rag on it because it was just a movie and it didn't change your life like it should have.

It is very arrogant of you to assume that anyone who doesn't share your view is fooling themselves.
Besides, I've never been a guy that's about the graphics, theres plenty of very pretty buit very crappy movies out there, when I say that Avatar movie was beautiful I'm not talking about the visual effects.
So I wouldn't care if the CG budget was poor, let alone average, and I'd never heard of the director before (nor would I care, name me one famous person who has a flawless record).
You may think I'm trying to fool myself, but if all you got out of the movie was "it has pretty visuals and it was cliche" then I feel sorry for you

Are you kidding, Deadman? It's just like classical music. It's always the same thing over and over again. Some strings, some horns, and some percussion. Sometimes there's some singing in there, but overall it's just the same thing over and over again. If you've heard one bit of classical music you've heard it all. It's all just shallow and empty sounds that don't really mean anything.

I don't hate it. I enjoyed it a lot, but I also recognize it for what it is: the best special effects ever made with a passable story and passable characters simply being a means to an end for an amazing, visually beautiful piece.


I don't even know what you're talking about or where you got these ideas.

It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. I think many people are trying to excuse the poor parts of the movie because it was made so well.


Oh, and what did you get out of it? A lesson that corporations are evil? That they'll put their greed in front of the wellbeing of others? That humans have and can destroy other civilizations for their own perceived benefit? There are dozens of films, novels and other mediums that tell this story and there are many that do it better. There's nothing wrong with the message but I was not at all moved by how it was told.

I'm not really directing that toward you, Emon. I'm directing that at the people who are coming out saying "this movie blows, etc..."

Oh I see, my apologies.

Like I said, I think it's a movie meant to showcase a beautiful world rendering in an amazing fashion, and there's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't try to be more than it is, it doesn't come off as ridiculous or fake like it may have if it was directed by Michael Bay someone less experienced.

It's just... I can't get over the feeling that some people are trying to excuse the mediocre parts because of the visuals. If you want a good story, good characters or a strong message there are many films that do a much better job.

I already agreed the overall storyline is cliche, and already said, many times, that the overall storyline didn't matter to me as much. No, I got completely immersed in their world and fell in love with the characters. As I have stated multiple times earlier, the great thing about that movie was it got you (well, I guess not YOU) emotionally involved with the characters.
I even (once again, as I said EARLIER) found myself emotionally reacting to certain scenes (see previous posts for details) despite knowing exactly what would happen, not just because it was cliche but also because I watched it a second time with a different group of friends.

It's funny how you go on about it being all about the visual effects, where most of my friends have gone on about how they were emotionally driven by the story. It takes more then pretty graphics to do that.

EDIT due to seeing your most recent post:
I'm not saying the movie was perfect, but I think it told the cliche story quite well, and the characters WERE good, despite being forced into a cliche storyling were they didn't have much unique they could try. And at no point have I talked about the done-to-death message

Yeah, once again I'm completely with Deadman on this. I was really involved with the characters. It was one of those rare movies that just clicked for me in a way that's unreal.

Uh yeah I didn't read the first five pages.


Maybe one or two characters like Marcus Wright and Catwoman but everyone else was shallow and little more than a bunch of cardboard cutouts.


Emotionally driven by the story or by the characters? I felt somewhat driven by the story because I personally have an intense hatred for corporations that put profit in front of the welfare of others (many real world examples of this exist) but the characters could have been action figures.


Sorry, I thought that was implied when you said "story."

That's funny, because I didn't even say the word story till that last post...

That is funny, apparently I don't know who is who.

Actually, I would say especially Avatar but I don't care so much about that as to why you felt the need to post that in response to me. Was it that I didn't get too emotional about that aspect of either film? That message can make me emotional but neither film executed that well enough for me really to care too much about that aspect of any of the characters. Hell, I think 10,000 BC did a better job in that regard.

Avatar has officially reached $1 billion worldwide in box office.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=avatar.htm

$666 million in foreign gross. It's the devil's movie!

Saw it this Sat. I thought it was alright, but can't say I was stunned like I was when, say, I've seen Death Proof (the European longer cut version). I actually went out and saw that movie four times in the movie theatre.

This one I might see again on a DVD when that comes out.

My impression was that it was technically expertly executed, but I couldn't help the feeling that something was missing. Not sure what. But anyhow, it was an alright movie. Nice effects.

You were.... you were stunned by Death Proof?

Yeah, I've seen 3 different cuts of Death Proof, and each one had the same merits and drawbacks. Good car chase, hot women, and badass soundtrack. Everything else is pretty horrible.

Yeah. I loved it.

Well I'm afraid I'm going to have a hard time taking you seriously now =s

A shallow man will still make a shallow movie, no matter how much time he spends on it.

He's certainly got a talent for directing but I got the distinct impression he's not very bright (haven't seen his other movies but I've been told they're similar in that regard)

I'm certainly not calling you a liar but you definitely don't fit the demographic here if you are seriously contending that you have seen none of the below listed films:

The Terminator (1984)
Aliens (1986)
The Abyss (1989)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
True Lies (1994)

It could be, of course, that you are relatively young and don't care to watch classic sci-fi and action films.

Oh yeah, I saw Terminator.

And you're opening yourself up to a lot of flack if your honestly saying you don't think James Cameron is very smart.

Oh no!

I liked it.

Avatar is the second highest grossing movie ever. Right behind Titanic.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

James Cameron's ego must be roughly the size of MB at this point.

Stop blowing him already and get over it

I will get around to seeing it, but im just not sure, i didnt like the trailer, I like James cameron and his stuff, but since Titanic I dont know i just seem to keep away from his stuff, and wait until all the hype goes away, we will see.

I thought this was funny though.

Haha, I like that

The movie as a movie I thought was marginal, at best. I mean, that picture above is partly a joke, but it does kind of ring true. I really thought he wouldnt stoop to certain levels of almost amateur story telling, but I was surprised when he did. It was enjoyable though, and the man knows how to do action.

Regarding the 3D, it was amazing. It was pretty breathtaking. I need to see it again as I saw it in Paris and the french subtitles kind of annoyed me. But man it was definitley a feast for the eyes.