Never noticed this before

This is news?

I think to be fair we can give him that one, as Obi Wan was technically very dead and not prone to long winded explanations.

Besides theres one of the last scenes from ROTS when Yoda has training for Obi Wan.

Eh, it's like saying Mr.Anderson taught you, even though you had another teacher at some point too. Mr.Anderson still left the biggest impression.

Really, I think the only fail there is the use of the word "the jedi master" instead of "a jedi master". Yoda obviously did teach him and everyone at some point it seems. Obi-wan simply wasn't a Padawan of Yoda.

I know I know. Still funny.

I think it avoids a lot of these discussions to just accept that the prequel trilogy was low grade Star Wars fan-fic that Lucas wrote.

Or just accept the first 3 (along with the other 3) as just fun movies and not analyze it like it's a religion.

Heresy! Burn the infidel!

Yeah this is what I was gonna say. Pretty much covers everything. Thread over.

They brought this up when episode 1 came out. Then the "continuity people" said Yoda instructed a lot of the young jedi. I think the younglings scene in AotC was supposed to "fix" that.

Really sloppy anyway. I remember watching a behind the scenes on one of the DVDs or on starwars.com. Lucas was going over continuity with what I assume was an employee of his. His continuity guy was trying to get straight with him that Obi-wan had to somehow wind up with Anakin's blue lightsaber so it could be given to Luke in ANH.

I in no way expect him to keep track of Extended Universe or trivialities from the movies ... but that was a major scene. He really doesn't remember?

Doctor Who is fun, Stargate is fun, Voyager is fun.
The prequels are crap.

Continuity errors? Let me show you them:

1) Obi-Wan shouldn't know that Leia is Luke's sister until midway through ESB. (As Luke departs from Dagobah, OWK: "That boy is our only hope." Yoda: 'No. There is another...')

2) Leia apparently has memories of Padme, even though her mother died during childbirth. (ROTJ, Luke: "Do you remember your mother--your real mother?" Leia: "Just a little bit. She died when I was very young. [...] Just images really, feelings. She was... very beautiful, kind, but sad."

3) In ANH, Obi-Wan's reaction to meeting R2-D2 (who, you'll remember, claims to have formerly been owned by Kenobi) is quizzical, but he shows no degree of recognition. He also makes a bizarre comment to the effect of "I can't seem to remember ever owning a droid," despite having had a pet astromech ("R4") in AotC (and perhaps also RotS?).

4) Vader never thought to check up on his own step-brother, whose location he knew full well, and never noticed that someone with the last name of Skywalker was being raised on his home turf?

5) We're really supposed to believe that basically all knowledge of the force and the Jedi were eradicated in a mere 18 years, to the extent that Han Solo (who should have been about 7 on Corellia--not a backwater at all--when the events of RotS happened) refers to the Jedi tradition as "hokey" and "ancient"? And Motti, who ought to have been in his 20's during RotS, likewise refer's to Vader's "sad devotion to that ancient religion"...?

And so on...

All of which is to concur with the notion that trying to reconcile the prequels and original trilogy into the same continuity is absurd.

maybe George Lucas was killed in between the time and it was kept as a secrecy, and who we saw later was an imposter that doesnt know jack **** about the continuity that should properly coincide with past and present. Or maybe Lucas has suffered a major breakdown and behaves now like a goofy over sheltered child that makes fart and poop jokes all the time even when its very inappropriate. Just look at Ep1 for example. Dont get me wrong Im a big SW fan, but Im the kind of SW fan that does not worship George Lucas.

Well it IS an ancient religion. That just means it's old, not that it's been a long time since anyone followed it. Christianity and Islam are ancient, but people believe them now. Those just sound like comments that atheists (or whoever) make about religious beliefs today.

Hmm... I can see what you mean, but that interpretation of those lines wouldn't have even occurred to me until after the prequels. "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion" doesn't make for very good invective against a Christian, but it works a heck of a lot better against someone who worships Zeus and Aphrodite. If anything, "ancient" is a term of respect when applied to institutions that are still culturally vibrant--or at least, so it seems to me.

As a second point, Han refers to "hokey religions and ancient weapons." It's hard to imagine him referring to the Jedi order as hokey if there were still any cultural resonance to the image of the Jedi Knights as the guardians of peace and order in the galaxy. For the length of time that they'd served that role (thousands of years), it's difficult to believe that those associations could be obliterated over the course of a mere two decades.

for about 5 minutes in RotS.... R4 gets opened like a soup can during the opening space battle scene

This is why I hate the prequels with a passion. They ruined Star Wars and I don't watch them and basically pretend they don't exist. I love the original 3 movies and always will.

Lucas might fail at continuity but he wins at having billions of dollars

Obi-Wan may not have known (or assumed) that Leia was sufficiently gifted with the force (which is not something properly established outside of the novelisations novels). He might of only thought of her as a diplomat uncapable or freeing the galaxy from tyranny.



I wouldn't consider any of that owning a droid, much in the way he didn't own the Jedi Starfighters that he flew. To me it seems like it was just equipment he had access to for missions. Aren't possessions forbidden for Jedi? And considering how abundant droids are in the galaxy and how little people think of them (except for Padme who apparently gives them commendations) he would have little reason to give much thought to any droid.



I don't think Vader would have had much holiday time to spend hanging out around Tatooine. Probably too busy conquering the galaxy and chasin' rebels.



What Crimson said. Also, in RotS the Jedi were being discredited as well as eradicated. In all likelyhood, those that really knew what the Jedi were like before the Clone War probably didn't buy into any of the misinformation that the Empire would have spread. But for people like Han, who were just kids when it all went down, how would they really know unless their parents taught them otherwise?

I don't care much for the prequels but the continuity kind of works. I think the films have a lot more problems than just lining up with the OT.

Now, THIS is a form of apologetics that I can tolerate.

A possible explanation:

Obi Wan was never Dooku's apprentice, it was Qui-Gon that was Dooku's apprentice. Qui-Gon was Obi's original Jedi Master, but was killed by the time that Obi Wan was old enough/experienced enough to be considered a master himself, and thus take on his own apprentice, Anakin. Because Qui-Gon was dead, and Obi-Wan obviously needed some further guidance, it is entirely possible that based upon their relationship that must have built considerably in the time between Episode's 1, 2 and 3, that during that time Yoda must have trained or instructed him at least a little bit. For example, he trained him how to commune with Qui-Gon and learn how to not fade away into nothingness. And thus, Obi-Wan had two Jedi Master's.

Like I said, it's a possible explanation

"Funnily" enough all of these issues have been addressed in the Expanded Universe junk.

Not really satisfactorily (it's the EU after all) but yeah someone took the time to think about these issues with a bunch of other people. And make comics and mugs related to the matter.

Dear god you people have given me too much work to type.

First, Vornskr

Obiwan thinks of Luke as the only hope because Luke is the only one of the two thats been trained and knows about his heritage.

Her mother, as Leia knows her, would be Bail's wife. Not Padme. All Luke is doing is asking about her mother, from her point of view.

He's an old man thats been living in the desert for 20 years. can't a guy go a little senile? besides, along with Jin, who says that he's telling the truth? Obiwan admited to white lieing to Luke before, whats the difference if he doesn't continue to do so?

If you were a slave as a child wouldn't you not want to return to that area? let alone the place that you found your dying mother? It took him ten years to even go visit his beloved mother on Tatooine and only because she was part of his nightmares. He. hates. Tatooine.
Agreed with Crimson and Jin, besides, the Empire did such a complete Jedihunt and made the people who lived through the purges fear of speaking about the Jedi at all, their children will not grow up knowing the Jedi as being such an everyday good guys.

Yea, probably screwed up in there somewhere, oh well, Next is Tempermental:


Yoda trains everyone, he is the Grand Master of the Order. Dooku was trained by Yoda, not completely, just as a youth, Dooku then gets his own Master to be trained by. Dooku trains Qui-gon. Qui-gon trains Obi-wan. Yoda agrees that once Qui-gon has died that Obi-wan has been trained long enough to go through the final trials of becoming a full Knight and being allowed to train Anakin. Eventually Obiwan becomes a Master. Meanwhile, Yoda is the Master of everyone. He is king supremo of the Jedi. He is the last of the Old Order to die so the New Order Luke builds can be created. Luke is the Grand Master after that (eventually). Obiwan was just a lower ranked Master than other Masters like Yoda, Windu or certain others on the Council at least.

What I don't get with the Expanded Universe continuity problems is that I was lead to believe that Lucas has to bless these things.

If he employs continuity checkers, why do the problems keep coming up (ie: between the new cartoons and some sources that are barely a couple of years old)? I don't follow any of it much any more, but one would think even a casual fan would catch these things.

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because anything they create can be walked over while anything HE creates is set in stone.

George Lucas can do what he wants because its his.
one thing i find funny is thatt with the new clone wars episodes i have watched there has been a friendship with some of the clones and Obi-Wan.

why then in revenge of the sith they have no problem filling order 66, i know there clones but in the TV they are shown to be more than just soldiers so to me thats contradictory

Going back to EU, if you read the Republic Commando book, Order 66, You see there's quite a few clones that do not cooperate with Order 66. Granted, Obi-Wan's troops had no problems with it, but apparently others did.

You might be on to something. AFAWK Vader doesn't set foot on Tatooine in ANH, possibly for this very reason, even though he personally sees through pretty much everything else in the trilogy.

>_>

that **** is pretty much explained by watching episode 2... the clones were modified to grow faster and follow orders without question

Would you kindly execute Order 66?

Hahaha

i'm not a clone trooper

but i would anyway... those jedi are dicks

kill the younglings

Would you kindly kill the Younglings?

i wouldn't kill the younglings... instead i'd train them in the ways of the sith

and none of that rule of two nonsense... it's just silly

Because training people to hate everything is going to end up so well for the leader.

except for when the leader is Satan