Ahem...



The original dialog was obviously referring to Padme. If Leia didn't know she was adopted, then she'd be confused by the use of the words "real mother". Obviously that's not the case. Plus, I don't see much point in Bail's wife being sad all the time - it makes much more sense for Padme to be sad, because well, you know, her hubby turned into Vader.

husband... not bf

did anyone manage to pay attention to anything from episode 2?

There's an episode 2?

if she doesn't know she's adopted then she would assume Luke meant Bail's wife. As Bail said during RotS, they had been trying to have a child. wouldn't she be sad that she knows Leia isn't hers? Maybe some other reason in life has made Bail's wife really really sad?

Leia doesn't know Padme. Padme is dead. Therefore, the mother Leia knows is whomever Bail had her brought up by as her mother.

Look, the point is that the dialog obviously was originally meant to refer to Leia's real mother (whose name we didn't know back in 83). The fact that you can nevertheless kind of schmoo it into almost making sense with the prequels doesn't change the fact that Lucas clearly wasn't thinking too hard about how the prequels would fit together with the original story.

Yeah don't try to schmoo your way out of this one Genki.

its GL-Level Canon now! YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS

*cue distraction by MC Hammer*

In before someone gets it.

NO. Geeks, not nerds.

Is it not also, plausible, at least, that she is getting these "memories" from in the womb? Perhaps her connection to the force is providing a small memory of her mother's death during their birth, or they were fed to her as she was developing in Padme's womb?

Hrm... I always thought... Post RoTS... that Leia must have meant her adoptive mother... It just seemed like the logical conclusion to me. I didn't even make a big deal out of it at all.

there is that, but why doesn't Luke say if he remembers the same thing because of their twin bond?

The fact that you all have to try so hard to make it make sense clearly shows how much it doesn't.



We all know that coming home one random day with a baby girl totally doesn't make the adopting mother think it's not originally hers. -.-

If I were adopted and didn't know it, and someone asked me if I remembered my real mother, I'd be locked onto that topic like a heat-seeking missile. "What does he mean, my real mother?". If he didn't say real, it'd be fine, but he said it.

We already know the original dialog was obviously pointed towards Padme (whom didn't have a name at the time). Lucas screwed it up. 'nuff said.

I don't know... I just think it's pretty bad when I say it's best to not worry too much about a continuity problem in a movie.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html

True or tongue-in-cheek or whatever else, still rather interesting.

In fact, I sort of thought this thread was about that letter but I guess it hasn't caused an international SW geek furor?

*goes back to reading Heir to the Empire, in which clones are described as fighting against the Republic and going insane*

Well, in a sense they did go insane (Order 66) and fought against the Republic (well, against the Jedi but Republic was no more after that).

To be fair though Zahn got revenge for that in Outbound Flight when he clearly made it look like Palpatine/Sideous was stomping jedi and preparing to create the Empire and an epic army because he knew the Vong were coming if thats not a 1 finger salute to Lucas I dont know what is.

Oh dear, the Vong schmutz... way to make the Expanded Universe jump the shark (OMG NERD RAGE GRAARRR)

To be fair the Vong bit was like a rollercoaster in terms of quality...

Destiny's Way was pretty good as it took a retired, dieing old Admiral to figure out the blatantly obvious.

The New Jedi Order deservered every death it got, as its jedi and Skywalkers sucked...

It only went downhill from there with the hideous swarm war crap and Jacen becoming the worst excuse for a sith lord in history...

Luke, use the AFAWK.

early clones in the clone wars went insane, those grown in under a year go crazy because of a Force resonance that breaks their mind. make it over a year? bam. sane clones.

The Null clones were just crazy because of what the Kaminoians did to their genes along with the environment they were growing up in.

Order 66 was just one of 150 contigency orders, such as 'Remove Palps from power' or 'Jedi are mutinying, kill them', it wasn't them going crazy, it was just them following orders

From a certain point of view one could say the clones went mad and thus not really making the Thrawn trilogy uncanon.

And yet GL is the head honcho so if he revoked something that was canon in the EU, then his word stands. The Thrawn trilogy is one of the few post-RotJ EU things that I actually like, and a minor detail like nature of the Clone Wars made at a time when the prequels weren't even in pre-production (1991?) wouldn't really bother me that much.

Then again, I'm one of the 3 people in the world who actually like the Clone Wars (and RotS for that matter) setting and a lot of the stuff set in the era.

silly FGR, it just says Early Clones in the Thrawn Trilogy. Not all clones, its still canon.

in other news, this happens to be a series i reread and finished last week.

Damn keywords!