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Conspiracy Shenanigans
2010-05-19, 9:41 AM #1
So I was in Belize with the Marines recently. I want everyone to know that if you go, do not go with a government organization. It's hard to enjoy the heat when you're working.

But anyway, our downtime consisted primarily of getting sloshed at one of the four or so bars on the British base we were on, or sitting outside of our hooch smoking. During either of these two events our conversation turned to conspiracy, as it usually does with people in the service.

One of our Sergeants whipped out his ipod and played President Kennedy's "The President and the Press" address from April 1961.

In particular, he pointed out:

Quote:
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.


Naturally this was taken as proof of the Illuminati conspiracy that intends to, well, nobody can give me a clear answer as to their intents.

But as I was trying to come up with a more reasonable explanation, I remembered another alleged Kennedy quote:

"There exists in this country a plot to enslave every man, woman, and
child. Before I leave this high and noble office I intend to expose this
plot"

- John.F.Kennedy, allegedly 7 days before he was shot.

It sounds like him. But I can find no sources that aren't :tinfoil: (or losers on a forum) that can verify it.

I remember hearing the former speech in high school and assumed he was talking about some sort of Communist organization. But I can't find any sources that aren't :tinfoil: (or losers on a forum, again) that have any reasonable comments on this speech.

Does anyone know about the context of the former speech, or the truthfulness of the latter?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-05-19, 9:58 AM #2
Conspiracy theorists are, in general, people who look way too deep for meaning and importance in mundane things because they find no meaning in their own lives.

No offense to your buddies, but every conspiracy nut I've seen, that's how it is.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2010-05-19, 10:01 AM #3
Did you know that conspiracies are nothing more than a conspiracy to get people to believe in conspiracies so they can conspire to do something?

... did you know that Elvis is really dead?
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2010-05-19, 10:01 AM #4
They may be taking the words out of context. While it does seem like a supporting idea for secret societies or new world orders, it wouldn't necessarily jump to that. Sounds to me more like he's referring to our economic system. Keep everyone working, 'enslaved'. The typical retirement age has gone up, social security going down... people have to work more, longer even if they want to retire and not live on the streets. In another sense, at one time, only men really worked in the economy. Slowly, women have become workers. Are we only a margin of time before we start running child sweatshops here?

Who knows... Consiracy theories are fun to discuss, and I'm sure behind each one there is some truth that was twisted more each time it was retold. Regardless, no one's going to do anything about it. Work, go home, eat, TV, sex if you're lucky enough. Some people seem to be satisfied in grinding routine.
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2010-05-19, 10:08 AM #5
Originally posted by Emon:
Conspiracy theorists are, in general, people who look way too deep for meaning and importance in mundane things because they find no meaning in their own lives.

No offense to your buddies, but every conspiracy nut I've seen, that's how it is.


Perhaps. But all of these people that think everything's a conspiracy will at times hit one that's more than mere madness...
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-05-19, 10:12 AM #6
The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association

The first quote makes a lot of sense when it's not taken out of context (link provided above). I had trouble verifying the second quote & I noticed that someone already submitted a request to verify it via Snopes so it's probably a fake.
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2010-05-19, 10:12 AM #7
Can you name one, Krok? I don't think I've ever heard of a mass conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. That doesn't mean skeptics are never right, I just think there's a healthy difference between the two. Skeptics aren't claiming they know what actually happened, they just don't trust what they're told. Conspiracy Theorists create more answers to questions no one was asking in the first place.
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2010-05-19, 10:14 AM #8
Really, Kirby? Click on his link.
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2010-05-19, 10:15 AM #9
Hah, didn't catch that.
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2010-05-19, 10:16 AM #10
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
In another sense, at one time, only men really worked in the economy. Slowly, women have become workers. Are we only a margin of time before we start running child sweatshops here?


You're not really suggesting that allowing women careers is a potential gate to child labor...are you? Or suggesting that JFK thought that, which of course would be equally silly! Tell me what you really meant.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-05-19, 10:20 AM #11
Watergate & the Iran-Contra Affair both stick out in my mind as far as conspiracies go. I would personally add the Catholic church & Henry Kissinger to that list.
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2010-05-19, 10:33 AM #12
Originally posted by Krokodile:
You're not really suggesting that allowing women careers is a potential gate to child labor...are you? Or suggesting that JFK thought that, which of course would be equally silly! Tell me what you really meant.


No no no. I'm saying IF there was some 'plot' to enslave everyone, then they've obviously made process in the mission. I don't really think this is a plot, just how things have worked out. Of course, a true blood conspiracy theorist would say "That's exactly what they want you to think."
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2010-05-19, 10:40 AM #13
Originally posted by Mentat:
Watergate & the Iran-Contra Affair both stick out in my mind as far as conspiracies go. I would personally add the Catholic church & Henry Kissinger to that list.

I don't really consider those "conspiracies" in this context. In the actual, correct meaning of the word, they are conspiracies. But in the colloquial definition, which usually involves incredibly large coverups over the course of decades or centuries, they aren't. Those just aren't possible. People aren't that good at keeping secrets, period.
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2010-05-19, 10:42 AM #14
And Emon knows, because he works for the CIA NSA SAS FSB Walgreens.
2010-05-19, 10:53 AM #15
:huh:
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2010-05-19, 10:53 AM #16
Originally posted by KOP_AoEJedi:
No no no. I'm saying IF there was some 'plot' to enslave everyone, then they've obviously made process in the mission. I don't really think this is a plot, just how things have worked out. Of course, a true blood conspiracy theorist would say "That's exactly what they want you to think."


Ah.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2010-05-19, 11:19 AM #17
Originally posted by Steven:
And Emon knows, because he works for the CIA NSA SAS FSB Walgreens.


Sorry Emon, but this is a homerun insult. I love it.
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2010-05-19, 11:30 AM #18
Mentat, that's the same page I linked to. :gbk: No further along here...


I've tried to bring up the fact that it would be incredible for something like this to be secret. Then they bring up how they hide in plain sight to discredit the tinfoils and demonstrate how the top three steps of the pyramid on the dollar bill are separated, indicating a new level of knowledge once you read the top three degrees of masonry.

And other such nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I love this stuff, and I'm always amazed just how much of it does have a tenuous basis in reality, but I really hate having to leave conversations because I have nothing that can even temper their inane logic.

Anyone run across that Vigilant Citizen site? It's offered me a good amount of entertainment.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-05-19, 11:37 AM #19
I have no doubt that there are a lot of secret things going on, and that there are probably some "conspiracies" out there, though I doubt stupid stuff like the signs on the dollar bill or "National Treasure" type clues.

If I were running a secret organization, I sure as hell wouldn't leave clues in national landmarks or on the ****ing currency.
2010-05-19, 11:39 AM #20
I like conspiracy theories that have a bit more merit. Like the one about that shot we took at the moon, being a weapons test instead. Considering the weapon in question was in fact in development (I can't remember the official term for it ATM), but probably couldn't have been safely tested here on earth.
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2010-05-19, 11:59 AM #21
Originally posted by Steven:
I have no doubt that there are a lot of secret things going on, and that there are probably some "conspiracies" out there, though I doubt stupid stuff like the signs on the dollar bill or "National Treasure" type clues.

If I were running a secret organization, I sure as hell wouldn't leave clues in national landmarks or on the ****ing currency.


Odd, I look at the uniform symbolism between world organizations as the only evidence that there is something odd going on.

Obviously, these symbols come from a common source, but sometimes they are used in ways that are, odd.

That site I posted actually hits on some things I have always thought were odd (considering the conventional view of say, the founding fathers) but are by no means evidence of an conspiracy headed by the Rothschild family and Jay-Z.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-05-19, 12:03 PM #22
"Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin

The biggest conspiracies I can think of that have been exposed in America have been Watergate and Iran-Contra. Neither had anything near the scope of typical "conspiracy theory" and neither was exposed by a lone crackpot sitting in his basement. People in power will certainly take advantage of it from time to time, but that doesn't mean they're all working together against us.
Why do the heathens rage behind the firehouse?
2010-05-19, 1:34 PM #23
The biggest conspiracy is the one in plain daylight for everyone willing to see it. Central banking steals our wealth and transfers it to bank owners. Not just from borrowers but taxpayers (IMF fund, bailouts) and even savers (inflation outpaces interest for the vast majority of accounts). Central banking ensures that the sum of outstanding debt is always slightly larger than the money supply, keeping us in a blind frenzy of productivism, while someone always loses, like a game of musical chairs. It keeps us perpetually reliant on credit, keeping the average person from accumulating wealth. And most of all, they're making it harder not to opt in to their game .
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-05-19, 1:37 PM #24
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
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2010-05-19, 1:38 PM #25
Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
Sorry Emon, but this is a homerun insult. I love it.

I must be missing something because I don't get it at all.
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2010-05-19, 1:39 PM #26
Originally posted by Freelancer:
The biggest conspiracy is the one in plain daylight for everyone willing to see it. Central banking steals our wealth and transfers it to bank owners. Not just from borrowers but taxpayers (IMF fund, bailouts) and even savers (inflation outpaces interest for the vast majority of accounts). Central banking ensures that the sum of outstanding debt is always slightly larger than the money supply, keeping us in a blind frenzy of productivism, while someone always loses, like a game of musical chairs. It keeps us perpetually reliant on credit, keeping the average person from accumulating wealth. And most of all, they're making it harder not to opt in to their game .

Oh right, you're one of those people that doesn't understand economics and thinks credit cards are evil.
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2010-05-19, 1:44 PM #27
Originally posted by Emon:
Oh right, you're one of those people that doesn't understand economics and thinks credit cards are evil.


I don't understand economics? Now that's a laugh. I suppose you think the best way to save has anything to do with banks.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-05-19, 1:59 PM #28
The minute God crapped out the third caveman, a conspiracy was hatched against one of them.
2010-05-19, 2:01 PM #29
I wouldn't trust any private bank with a large savings. I'd probably use a credit union. But to suggest that there's some conspiracy that robs people of money is just ridiculous. Private banks are businesses and they must make money some how. Anyone who doesn't realize this when giving their money to a bank is just an idiot.
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2010-05-19, 2:20 PM #30
Quote:
Conspiracy theorists are, in general, people who look way too deep for meaning and importance in mundane things because they find no meaning in their own lives.

No offense to your buddies, but every conspiracy nut I've seen, that's how it is.


While you're correct in most cases, there have, unfortunately for your argument, been many cases where Conspiracies that were later found out to be truths and not just rampant paranoia.

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html

Sometimes the sheepole are right.

The thing I love most is that while people are generally for the most part correct that a lot of conspiracy theories haven't been proven true, they also haven't been proven false either. Some have, duh there's no denial in that. But a lot also have not. It's like arguing the existence of God, either you believe in them or not. Unfortunately, it is also exactly like the argument for or against God.. Neither side really wants to read anything about the other, and I find the vast majority of people that I've spoken to or heard write comments like that, have never even bothered to look into many of the conspiracy theories that are out there and actually do some investigation or reading themselves and thus, just arrive at the conclusion that most people are just paranoid schitzo's because "they aren't the government" or someone in a high position telling them the "Truth".

Seriously, if you like conspiracy theories or even if you don't and want to find some fascinating information on everything, even if you don't believe, try abovetopsecret.com
2010-05-19, 2:27 PM #31
Originally posted by Temperamental:
While you're correct in most cases, there have, unfortunately for your argument, been many cases where Conspiracies that were later found out to be truths and not just rampant paranoia.

Right, I was referring to the really ridiculous, obviously proven wrong conspiracy theories, like the moon landing hoax or JFK assassination.
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2010-05-19, 2:31 PM #32
Well yeah there are those that you just read and go.. WTF are people thinking... Those are the one's that you don't really even have to read much into to know they're outright ridiculous from the title alone :D
2010-05-19, 2:53 PM #33
Quote:
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.


Is communism too obvious?
2010-05-20, 7:58 AM #34
[http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/cartapwned/COMMUNISM.png]
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2010-05-20, 8:08 AM #35
Originally posted by Freelancer:
...Central banking .... [keeps] the average person from accumulating wealth.
Economic profit is impossible for most people due to the way free trade works. It has nothing to do with banks.

Originally posted by Freelancer:
I don't understand economics? Now that's a laugh.
You don't.
2010-05-20, 3:48 PM #36
Sheepy sheepy follows the leader.
2010-05-20, 5:42 PM #37
I don't buy into a lot of conspiracy stuff, but then again, I have to wonder why Kennedy would say all that.
2010-05-20, 5:47 PM #38
Communism.
"on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day"
Is a pretty obvious hint.
2010-05-20, 5:56 PM #39
I found this site when I was working on a research project looking for the financial burden of WWII on Great Britain. They claim that both world wars and the unfolding "world war 3" were designed by the usual Illuminati, and the CSA officer Albert Pike supposedly was in the Illuminati and planned all three wars in order for the Illuminati to create a world government.
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2010-05-20, 7:54 PM #40
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Economic profit is impossible for most people due to the way free trade works. It has nothing to do with banks.


Central banking is very profitable—it has usurped free trade and inflates the currency, negating the most reliable method of accumulating wealth: saving. Under sound currency, anyone can easily save money with frugality.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
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