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Texas School Syllabus: YEEEE HAAAAWW
2010-05-22, 9:01 PM #41
I liks freedoms.
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2010-05-22, 9:03 PM #42
Don't we all?
2010-05-22, 9:44 PM #43
Jon'C is going to toss you around like a ragdoll.
2010-05-22, 10:24 PM #44
A global government won't exist for an awfully long time. Pretty much until (organized) religion is nothing more than a cult following. Are we really going to bring Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc all under one banner?
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2010-05-22, 10:52 PM #45
Originally posted by Anakin9012:
Other nations making laws for the United States.


Oh, no, you mean that we actually have to share this planet with non-Americans? :omg:

The sooner we stop pretending that someone is superior because they happened to be born on a piece of land contained within boundaries that only exist because everyone agrees they exist, the better. Don't get me wrong, I like America. I enjoy my freedoms, I appreciate that I can call people who disagree with me a jackass (and not go to jail for it), and I think we're pretty darn fortunate in our current position as an economic and political power. However, being American doesn't make someone better than someone else who isn't American, and it frightens me how often I see the contrary portrayed ("those terrists don't deserve the same rights as Amurricans!").

tl;dr: while I believe in maintaining autonomy of the United States, there's absolutely nothing wrong with and typically value in accepting the input of non-Americans because they're human, too.

[/rant]
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2010-05-23, 12:27 AM #46
Originally posted by dalf:
A global government won't exist for an awfully long time. Pretty much until (organized) religion is nothing more than a cult following. Are we really going to bring Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc all under one banner?
This is simultaneously why the United States is such an amazing country and such a terrible one.

The US is amazing because it was designed to be the first truly post-religious, post-hegemonic, post-racial country. It was meant to be a country with no established religion, no national language, which would welcome anyone who sought freedom from tyranny.

The US is terrible because they always compromise on their values in order to appease that bunch of cow-****ing baptist hicks in the south.

Originally posted by Anakin9012:
Other nations making laws for the United States.
**** you and **** ACTA, you ethnocentric piece of ****.
2010-05-23, 1:10 AM #47
Anyway, the UN isn't even a thread to things it's supposed to be a threat to. They couldn't organise a nun-shoot in a nunnery yet people are worried that EVEN THOUGH YOU HOLD A PERMANENT VETO you're somehow going to succumb to it's mighty will.

The UN's best public service to the planet as a whole is making people with funny names famous. Boutros Boutros Ghali I'm looking at you.
2010-05-23, 5:23 AM #48
Quote:
Anything Anakin9012 has ever said.


:carl:
nope.
2010-05-23, 5:31 AM #49
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Well, the UN is a threat to American Freedom


One of the funniest thing you've ever said, and the gods know you've said some whoppers :neckbeard:
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2010-05-23, 7:01 AM #50
Yeah I don't know how you can say anything about the UN threatening American freedom, considering that despite what the UN says the US seems to ignore them and just does things themselves anyway. Sounds like we have a lot of freedom despite the UN :)
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2010-05-23, 8:15 AM #51
I think what he is trying to say is that the UN is the first step to a world government.
World Government = bad idea.
World Government = no autonomy in the U.S.
World Government = U.S. quality of life goes down the poo-drain
2010-05-23, 8:45 AM #52
Wild speculations and assumptions = bad idea
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2010-05-23, 9:16 AM #53
Naw. A world government will be great, because we'll be in charge. Don't assume that it means less freedom for us. What it really means is more freedom for them!

United States of Earth, *****es.
2010-05-23, 11:26 AM #54
I would agree that the UN isn't necessarily a threat to American Freedom however when working in concert with radical leftists in America, such as the current regime, the threat becomes much more pronounced.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-05-23, 11:36 AM #55
RADICAL LEFTISTS!

Both parties are right wing, one just happens to be a smidgen more evil. :P
nope.
2010-05-23, 11:52 AM #56
Haha. Wookie06, you do realize you're sworn to defend the "current regime" don't you? I'm not sure how the Obama administration is threatening American freedom anyway..
>>untie shoes
2010-05-23, 11:52 AM #57
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I would agree that the UN isn't necessarily a threat to American Freedom however when working in concert with radical leftists in America, such as the current regime, the threat becomes much more pronounced.


Man, I'm saying this in the best way possible, but: you need to travel. You don't know the world and its people. I know you're gonna say you went on tour of duty with the army, but you should go as a human being with an open heart to views, different than your own, but just as valid - not as a USA robot. You truly come across as borderline psychotic.

"regime"
"American Freedom"
"radical leftists"

You're just as much brainwashed as the people you're shooting, or laughing at because of their retarded 9/11 conspiracy theories.

(I don't know you, so I can't know this, but that is how you constantly come across.)

My 2 cents :/
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2010-05-23, 11:53 AM #58
Go outside, the birds are singing :)
He said to them: "You examine the face of heaven and earth, but you have not come to know the one who is in your presence, and you do not know how to examine the present moment." - Gospel of Thomas
2010-05-23, 11:54 AM #59
Tenshu, the Army doesn't shoot anyone anymore. They just stand around and get fat.
>>untie shoes
2010-05-23, 12:01 PM #60
Originally posted by Wookie06:
radical leftists in America, such as the current regime


Ok, now THAT'S the funniest thing you've ever said! :awesome:
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2010-05-23, 1:14 PM #61
Originally posted by Wookie06:
I would agree that the UN isn't necessarily a threat to American Freedom however when working in concert with radical leftists in America, such as the current regime, the threat becomes much more pronounced.
Actually Libertarianism is also called Classical Liberalism, or the true left-wing. So in that sense you're pretty much right.
2010-05-23, 2:01 PM #62
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Oh, no, you mean that we actually have to share this planet with non-Americans? :omg:

The sooner we stop pretending that someone is superior because they happened to be born on a piece of land contained within boundaries that only exist because everyone agrees they exist, the better. Don't get me wrong, I like America. I enjoy my freedoms, I appreciate that I can call people who disagree with me a jackass (and not go to jail for it), and I think we're pretty darn fortunate in our current position as an economic and political power. However, being American doesn't make someone better than someone else who isn't American, and it frightens me how often I see the contrary portrayed ("those terrists don't deserve the same rights as Amurricans!").

tl;dr: while I believe in maintaining autonomy of the United States, there's absolutely nothing wrong with and typically value in accepting the input of non-Americans because they're human, too.

[/rant]

There's value in accepting their input. I don't know where I said they're not human. I also don't think being American makes me better than someone who's not American, and I don't think we should get to make laws for Canada or Great Britain.

Originally posted by Jon'C:
**** you and **** ACTA, you ethnocentric piece of ****.


What's ACTA?

[QUOTE=ELITE WARRIOR]I think what he is trying to say is that the UN is the first step to a world government.
World Government = bad idea.
World Government = no autonomy in the U.S.
World Government = U.S. quality of life goes down the poo-drain[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's what I was saying.

Originally posted by Deadman:
Ok, now THAT'S the funniest thing you've ever said!


I'm sure there are no radical leftists in the government. Especially not Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Andy Stern, John Holdren, or Ron Bloom.
2010-05-23, 2:22 PM #63
You are why we can't have nice things.
2010-05-23, 2:27 PM #64
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Actually Libertarianism is also called Classical Liberalism, or the true left-wing. So in that sense you're pretty much right.

Déjacque rolls over in his grave every time that Glenn Beck & Rand/Ron Paul open their mouths.

Edit: I just noticed that my previous statement made it sound like Chomsky was dead. Blame BBC, not me.
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2010-05-23, 5:08 PM #65
For entirely different reasons?
2010-05-23, 6:15 PM #66
They must not like hearing people who say what they mean and mean what they say.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2010-05-23, 6:23 PM #67
I'm more afraid of the US (as in: a threat to world peace) than of the UN becoming a global government (something which isn't going to happen for generations to come and possibly as good as never).

The US are so afraid of the UN International Court in The Hague that they made a treaty to invade my country (a NATO ally, no less) in case Americans should stand trial there.

Now who's scary?
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2010-05-23, 6:39 PM #68
Originally posted by Wookie06:
They must not like hearing people who say what they mean and mean what they say.

Saying what you mean and being an absolute ****ing idiot aren't mutually exclusive. :P
nope.
2010-05-23, 6:58 PM #69
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
I'm more afraid of the US (as in: a threat to world peace) than of the UN becoming a global government (something which isn't going to happen for generations to come and possibly as good as never).

The US are so afraid of the UN International Court in The Hague that they made a treaty to invade my country (a NATO ally, no less) in case Americans should stand trial there.

Now who's scary?

I thought it was just the Bush admin, in an amazing case of ass-covering.
2010-05-23, 7:03 PM #70
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
The US are so afraid of the UN International Court in The Hague that they made a treaty to invade my country (a NATO ally, no less) in case Americans should stand trial there.

Now who's scary?


I don't know anything about this, but the concept of an international court in a world with no matching supranational authority is stupid.

It's arrogant to claim moral authority over someone whose culture you can never truly claim to understand as he does.
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2010-05-23, 7:04 PM #71
Yeah, and he's afraid that it will happen anyway... cause it's the US...
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2010-05-23, 7:10 PM #72
Sometimes you've gotta use force to ensure the safety of your people. After all; they started it.
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2010-05-23, 7:17 PM #73
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I don't know anything about this, but the concept of an international court in a world with no matching supranational authority is stupid.

It's arrogant to claim moral authority over someone whose culture you can never truly claim to understand as he does.


Be that as it may, the international court is for war crimes, which is something I don't think it's strange we have international laws and conventions for. So there being an international court for upholding these international laws seems only right to me.

And Emon, I'm not a US hater. I guess I was just trying to say that, in the light of this discussion, the notion of American freedoms being threatened by the UN is pretty absurd coming from someone who lives in a country that started a huge pre-emptive war without a legal mandate.

I realize this whole invasion of the Hague treaty is probably never going to be used, and I realize it was a Bush regime thing. Still, the notion is kind of disturbing.
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2010-05-23, 8:36 PM #74
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
I realize this whole invasion of the Hague treaty is probably never going to be used, and I realize it was a Bush regime thing. Still, the notion is kind of disturbing.
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2010-05-23, 8:39 PM #75
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
And Emon, I'm not a US hater. I guess I was just trying to say that, in the light of this discussion, the notion of American freedoms being threatened by the UN is pretty absurd coming from someone who lives in a country that started a huge pre-emptive war without a legal mandate.

Yep I know what you're saying, I was agreeing with you.
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2010-05-23, 9:37 PM #76
Ok, people seriously need to stop referring to Presidential administrations as "regimes"
>>untie shoes
2010-05-23, 9:56 PM #77
I wouldn't reject outright the statement that "If the UN becomes a world government with actual authority it could threaten American sovereignty." In much the same way, I wouldn't reject outright the statement that "If my friend's housecat becomes a tiger, it could threaten my personal safety." At the moment, I see no reason to worry about either happening.
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2010-05-24, 12:38 AM #78
Originally posted by ORJ_JoS:
Be that as it may, the international court is for war crimes, which is something I don't think it's strange we have international laws and conventions for. So there being an international court for upholding these international laws seems only right to me.


Not really. Maybe as a way to say "hey, we resolve that this man is bad, and if he ever comes out of his country...hoo boy he's going to get it!" but as an actual system of justice, it's not really effective.

It IS effective as a means of dispute mediation, however, where both countries agree to abide by the judgement before the judgement is made. Still unenforceable, but they are willing participants so it isn't as much of an issue, and it lends legitimacy to decisions that makes enforcement by other parties a credible threat. But mostly it's useful for friendly dispute resolution.
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2010-05-24, 2:27 PM #79
People need to understand that the damn Left Behind books are fiction, and really piss poor fiction at that.
2010-05-24, 2:38 PM #80
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