RIP





Yes I know I just posted a picture of a dancing black man in a thread where I have claimed not to be racist... but come on... have you seen the moves that guy had? Not to mention he was an awesome actor.

EDIT: By the way, for all morons, that's Gregory Hines.

I'm sorry dude you came in keyboard blazing and I just couldn't help myself

Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, Little Richard, Billy Preston, Samuel L. Jackson, Billy Dee Williams.

Guy number two couldn't have been black. they always order their drinks without ice.

Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make ****.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a ****ing Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.


(Mr. Pink is Steve Buscemi. Buscemi is white.)


If you need further validation i don't know what to tell you.

Also thrawn is a jew iirc so his opinion is invalid. You can trust me, I'm only half,

This thread was quite fun to read. I thought that Thrawn[numbarz] was ****in' w/ Antony but I wasn't quite sure until he admitted it. My wife & I are trying to open our own restaurant & we've discussed & researched this phenomenon (blacks statistically leaving less in tips) in length. One of the funniest things that I ran across was the the following YouTube video. Not only is the initial video hilarious, the responses are even better.

"I knew I was in the right" hahahahahah. Those responses were hilarious. Especially that Applebees one.

One of the tipping methods I've used at certain restaraunts where I notoriously get bad service is to order my food and somewhat have the tip calculated out for average (10-15% depending on restaraunt), and we lay it out on the table right in the middle. If we continue to get bad service, we start taking money out of it. If we get good service, we put more money into the pot. Seems to work really well

My favorite black guy is Thrawnberz. In this thread, Antony must have missed the sweet little label in the lower right corner o' the comic. And despite the fact that you may have a valid point, Antony (it would be silly to instantly dismiss it), the manner of your reaction (even if Thrawn egged you on) makes me think you could probably try and think about the conclusions you've drawn, with respect to black folks, a little more dispassionately.

I think I think I dunno

Also I don't blame EWG for being kinda pissed about waiting behind those two guys the second one looks like he p. smells a little funny and gross

I don't tip for bad service, and I tip ~25% for extremely good service. There's only been a few times where I've been compelled to do either, and usually leave 15%.

I also tip my barber and taxi drivers. I have never tipped anyone working at a starbucks, subway, or any fast food joint where they have those tip jars out.

I typically tip 20% regardless of the service. I'll tip more if the service was excellent. If the service is horrible I usually just don't come back. Then again just about everyone I associate w/ is in the restaurant business & I realize that not tipping the proper amount often affects more people than just the person you're angry w/.

I tip especially if the service was bad, usually as a peace offering because I'm paranoid about getting spit-on food, but I'm not likely to go back. I always overtip, especially if it's a place I go often. It usually results in special treatment. When I was young our family friends did this when they took us on vacation and it's always stuck with me. I also hate change so I usually just give all of it away instead of dropping it or losing it in my pants.

I too 'over' tip. I started tipping 50% at bars and it's gotten to the point where I can stand three people back in a crowded bar on friday or saturday night and the bartenders will shout over people to get my drink order. I also get treated extremely well at restaurants I frequent.

More EWG comix please.

If you frequent some specific place you absolutely have to tip well.

thrawn is black

This. I get extremely special treatment at one bar in particular. I rarely have to pay more than $12 regardless of how much I drink. I always leave like a $30 tip, though, so it kind of evens out. Except after hours... then I just go behind the bar and make my own drinks and I don't have to pay for anything.

So racist

That's just your pinion, try thsi on for size, I have been in lines OFTEN during the past fifteen years and the peple with the colored heads OFTEN smell funnier and / or look like they do, and gross

Incidentally, The Colored Heads was a short-lived punk band in the 80s.

I generally tip, but I also agree with Mr. Pink. It's not our job to hold up the poorly paid people who work in the service industry, I'd much rather the service industry got its act together.

By the way, those of you who tip heavily, have you ever tipped a janitor? There are plenty of people who get paid just as badly as waiters but it sounds like a lot of you only tip to get preferential treatment next time you visit.

Yes, that's the purpose of tipping.

There actually aren't that many people that get paid less than servers in the U.S. except for maybe illegal immigrants. They typically make less than $3/hour. If you want them to be paid more then you better get ready for a drastic increase in your bill. However, once there's an hourly wage increase, society will adapt & their tips will be less.

Let's take France for example. My wife waited tables in France for about €15/hour plus tips. Servers in France actually go to school to learn their trade. It's a respectable position (unlike in the U.S.). However, since everyone is aware of this, they tend to tip less (they literally leave change most of the time).

In the U.S. my wife makes less than $3/hour plus tips. Over here it doesn't matter that she went to a great trade school, has a certificate in her field & has worked in fine dining establishments in both London & Paris. However, since most of us know that they don't make a substantial hourly wage, she usually gets good tips.

In the end it nearly balances out. She could make a lot more money if every restaurant in the U.S. wasn't overstaffed. The servers here aren't nearly as professional or as reliable, on average, which means that an owner has to hire twice as much staff. Over here she works in a cafe w/ 4+ waitresses on the weekends where in France this would be only 2. This means that she's making far less money than she could.

Most Janitors get paid around $10 at minimum (atleast in Minnesota anyway), and waiters get paid less than minimum wage in most states ($3-4?), so what the **** are you talking about Detty.

I mean, you don't tip your garbage man because you like him. You don't like him, he smells and touches garbage all day, he's gross. You tip him so that when you accidentally split a bag in your can and spill rotten eggshells all over, he still takes it instead of throwing your neighbor's dog **** at your house.

It's kind of a cycle here. Black people don't tip, so waiters don't put effort into their service, so black people don't tip.

I think the whole black people thing is mostly socioeconomic. I think that black people are simply less likely, in general, to know the correct amount to tip (there are actually statistics available on the subject). There are plenty of people out there of all races that don't understand how the restaurant business works & think that 10%-15% is acceptable. I think that most people would be willing to tip correctly if they knew how. You're always going to have those *******s that purposely don't tip you well (regardless of the quality of service), thus ripping off everyone in the restaurant that you'd be tipping & not just you, but if you can't handle it, you should work in a fine dining establishment where an 18%-20% gratuity is taken out automatically.

My wife & I have discussed this a great deal because we want to be fair to our employees once we have our own restaurant. We've decided that we're going to pay a much better hourly wage but we're also going to have a smaller than average staff. This means that our employees will have to work a bit harder than they may be used to but that they'll be willing to do so because they'll be making quite a bit more money. We'll be closed Sunday & Monday (typically the least busy days & most bakeries are also closed on these days so we don't have to worry about running out of bread) so our small staff will have 2 days off each week. I personally think that's the change that's needed. In France people go to school to become servers. In the U.S. people go to school while they're servers.

I'm not American, in my country minimum wage is actually a legal requirement, hence the name 'minimum wage'. From a quick google search, bar staff and cleaners generally start at minimum wage but senior or long-term positions can generally be looking at around £20-25k.

JM, we don't pay our garbage men directly, it's covered by local council tax. Generally we never even see the garbage men because unless they come by at exactly the same time as people leave for work, our paths never cross.

When I tip, I'm not even considering the possibility of preferential treatment next time, I tip because I feel the staff deserved it.

In England, most restaurants will take out exactly 10% automatically. I guess our cultures are more different than you'd think.

Yeah, it's way different in most European countries from what I understand. Waiters and bartenders are actually paid a understandable minimum wage as opposed to the like $3 an hour they get in America. It's just culturally different. You don't have to tip in the UK in particular, because it's already figured into the pay. In the US, your pay in the service industry is akin to how much work you do.

Hell, I know servers at decent restaurants who make $200-250 a night. They drive pretty nice cars and such.

i generally tip 15% when the service is ****ty, 20% when its decent, and 25%+ when its good depending on how good.

everyone i know including myself has either a) worked in food service before, or b) is currently working in food service.

Detty: Just FYI, there's two standards for Minimum Wage. There's the normal Minimum Wage, then there's ones for jobs where you get tips, like waiters. The law for waiters is typically much lower, as a lot of their earnings come from tips. Also, in the USA, 10% is usually the low end of an acceptable tip (unless service was really bad).

The acceptable tip generally rests right at 20%.

Frankly, I hate the European tipping culture (or lack thereof) and I can't wait to get away from it. Drinks are already GROSSLY more expensive than America, and I find that the American system is much better at rewarding for effort and just overall competency.

At least in America, I'm paying what I think is for the actual product, and the tip is for how efficiently/nicely/quickly they work. You know, actual incentives to be a good server/worker. Now, I'm obviously aware that there is a markup on all the prices, but nowhere near Euro levels. Whereas here in the UK, I'm paying 3 pounds for a pint for some pretty terrible service at a lot of pubs, where in America I could get a shot of jameson, a tallboy (MORE than a pint) of a similar beer, and a single cigarette at a favorite bar of mine, + tip the bartender, all for roughly the same price (actually 30 cents cheaper when converted). I am much more likely just on general principle not to tip the bartender if I'm already dropping an absolute **** ton on the beer. But then again, I have something to compare it to.

I'd much rather have a system where what normally is tip is NOT built into wages/prices. Then again, European's have a total different sense of entitlement so I imagine you would get used to it if you lived here all your life. Overall, I'd much rather pay for what the tender/server deserves, rather than assume that they deserve it from the get go. It's a clear moral hazard problem.

buck, in the UK the high price of alcohol is due to tax, it's not a built-in service charge

I have tipped a janitor before, and I have been tipped as a cashier, zamboni driver, janitor, and security escort. I've tippped at restaurants of the fast food variety before, but don't usually because it's a different type of service, and they generally make as much as I do.

But as discussed, Janitors make a lot more than servers.

The largest markup in an American restaurant is for soda. If you don't tip at least 18% in a real restaurant (I'm not talkin' about Denny's) you're probably seriously ****in' over your server & quite possibly everyone else that he/she must split that tip w/ (e.g: bartender, busser, hostess, food runner, etc.). There's also the issue of taxes.

I think it would be better overall if tipping was ditched and they added the appropriate cost to the food.
Some people would be at a loss though, such as pretty girls serving rich people (omg sexist!) but overall things would be a lot simpler and there'd be no arguments like this.

In Australia we don't have tipping at all, in fact on the rare occasion I offer a tip (because they have been exceptional) it is flat out refused, and if you really want to give someone extra money you have your work cut out for you.