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Difficult scenario with female friend - am I in the wrong?
2010-05-31, 3:57 AM #41
I'm going to be the lone dissenter here. The Devil's advocate if you will. You obviously realized that this girl had issues before you met her. She had already lied to you, which was your first warning sign & you'd been coaching her (never mind that this is the same excuse that all of the sexual predators on the "To Catch A Predator" television show use) because you obviously recognized the fact that she's troubled. I don't buy that you met this girl in person w/o at least considering the possibility that she may be attractive & that if she is you may want to sleep w/ her. In other words, you had already entertained the possibility of sleeping w/ a disturbed girl. Do you then blame the disturbed girl for wanting to be closer to her mentor? To an extent. However, you can't play innocent & pretend that there weren't warning signs & that you aren't at least partially responsible for this predicament. Maybe you're not experienced enough w/ this sort of thing to identify them (I have no way of knowing either way) but I think that any armchair psychologist could've. I don't want this to come off as some sort of judgement because I personally think that the age of consent in the U.S. (18) is too high (from a strictly biological standpoint) but the fact of the matter is that girls that are this young are generally considered to be mentally inadequate for any type of relationship (including a purely physical one). I think you've led her on by continuing to see her because in her state of mind you're offering her hope (despite your words). I think that you were right to think that this girl needs help. However, I think you're wrong in thinking that you're the one to give it to her. There are professionals for that sort of thing & if she's lucky he won't sleep w/ her. That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
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2010-05-31, 4:38 AM #42
You both made mistakes, make it clear to her one more time. Very clear, explain the whole story (doesn't need to be in person, or with your own voice, mail works too). And then cut the whole thing out of your life.

Oh, and start bragging about the fact that you had sex with a 17 year old.

P.S. Weren't you gay?
2010-05-31, 5:14 AM #43
Originally posted by Mirthy:
I had a situation with a guy (I cut him out really quick though) who decided that after 3 times hanging out, that I was his saviour, and "his light". He was a nice enough guy initially, then I saw the crazy, desperate for affection, self loathing, immmature, needy over dramatic twit that he was, and I ended our relationship. That didn't stop him from trying to talk to me/see me/ ask me for advice, but I realized that some people just can't be helped. If someone truely wants help then they'll get it. It really sounds like she doesn't want help, she wants attention. And you're giving it to her. I'd explain to her that you're not going to be responsible for her mental health, and that she needs to find herself some serious help, which you cannot provide. Then block her chave friends, don't answer your door when she comes down, and don't respond to her.


Yes there are professionals, but do you have any idea how much they cost? If I'm going to make the decisions to financial cripple myself, I need to be damn sure it's going to pay off.

Having been on both sides of friendships involving depression, I know how easy it is to fall into the situation you've described. Imagine you have nobody you can confide in, nobody you really trust and nobody to talk through your issues with. Then out of nowhere, somebody actually seems to enjoy your company. At this point the temptation to latch onto this person is ridiculously strong, the problem is that you're also going to start burdening them with your issues way too early in the relationship, eventually they'll get fed up and cut you off.
Detty. Professional Expert.
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2010-05-31, 6:35 AM #44
Actions have consequences??
2010-05-31, 6:46 AM #45
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2010-05-31, 7:30 AM #46
Originally posted by Detty:
Yes there are professionals, but do you have any idea how much they cost? If I'm going to make the decisions to financial cripple myself, I need to be damn sure it's going to pay off.

Having been on both sides of friendships involving depression, I know how easy it is to fall into the situation you've described. Imagine you have nobody you can confide in, nobody you really trust and nobody to talk through your issues with. Then out of nowhere, somebody actually seems to enjoy your company. At this point the temptation to latch onto this person is ridiculously strong, the problem is that you're also going to start burdening them with your issues way too early in the relationship, eventually they'll get fed up and cut you off.


Obviously if you weren't needy and immature you would just drink yourself half to death like a mature person. :colbert:
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2010-05-31, 5:06 PM #47
Originally posted by Antony:
You hung out with ragna?

I demand the highest of fives.
nope.
2010-05-31, 11:04 PM #48
Originally posted by Detty:
Yes there are professionals, but do you have any idea how much they cost? If I'm going to make the decisions to financial cripple myself, I need to be damn sure it's going to pay off.

Having been on both sides of friendships involving depression, I know how easy it is to fall into the situation you've described. Imagine you have nobody you can confide in, nobody you really trust and nobody to talk through your issues with. Then out of nowhere, somebody actually seems to enjoy your company. At this point the temptation to latch onto this person is ridiculously strong, the problem is that you're also going to start burdening them with your issues way too early in the relationship, eventually they'll get fed up and cut you off.


Interestingly enough I've also been on both sides of relationships involving depression. And yes it is easy to latch on to someone that listens and gives you the time of day, but like you said, "they'll get fed up and cut you off." I think that would be the best option for him. A friendship becoming too much is one thing, when it becomes a sexual relationship thats another. I feel bad that the girl is in such a mess, but he also needs to take care of himself.

And yes professionals are very expensive, but there are other options, religious leaders, school employees, friends (not in this case apparently since they're all chavs), or family.
Mirthy

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2010-06-01, 7:11 AM #49
If I were in your shoes I would hang onto her. I love a good challenge. Those young ones you can mold into a peice of art.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-06-01, 8:49 AM #50
Originally posted by zanardi:
If I were in your shoes I would hang onto her. I love a good challenge. Those young ones you can mold into a peice of art.



its not a game lol, yes shes a challenge, but in a bad way, she doesnt challenge who he is for improvement at all, she just tears him apart and brings him down


run
2010-06-01, 8:59 AM #51
Bah she just needs some direction and someone to care for her. Yeah she is young but it doesn't last forever
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-06-01, 9:23 AM #52
That's what happens when you have sex with a child, especially a screwed up one. She won't leave you alone again. Once you start ignoring her, she's going to send you endless phone calls, texts, IMs, she's going to show up at your house, try to walk in, knock on the windows. You're either going to have to live with a stalker or try to make up with her, in which case the entire process you mentioned in OP will start again.
:master::master::master:
2010-06-01, 9:25 AM #53
No, it doesn't. But you don't necessarily stop being immature from growing older, it actually takes some life experience for that to happen.
幻術
2010-06-01, 9:35 AM #54
thats what i tried to do, but in doing so i had to listen to her constant whining about her life, all her bull**** drama, and its just worn me down. There comes a time when u have to let go of their hand and tell them to do it themselves.
Sadly my penis had other ideas.
I'm still not as bad as other guys though, i refused to associate with a 17 yr old greek gymnast for the same reason and didnt want this mess reoccuring,

Last i heard, she had cancelled her exam in cambridge because she found being in my presence so uncomfortable, which was more a knee jerk reaction to prove a point and make me feel bad, rather than an intellectual decision.
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2010-06-01, 9:37 AM #55
Well, don't feel bad. She probably would've failed anyway. :)
幻術
2010-06-01, 9:41 AM #56
she seems quite dense in general, but she has potential, she has an understand of Literature that surpasses mine (then again, i'm anti English, I only care for art and science)

I just hope she gets the points i made, theres a bright world out there, full of academic achievement and successful lifestyle :/
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2010-06-01, 9:51 AM #57
also, other dudes
"Honey, you got real ugly."
2010-06-01, 9:52 AM #58
Originally posted by Baconfish:
I demand the highest of fives.


I unexpectedly lol'd hard at this. :awesome:
DO NOT WANT.
2010-06-01, 11:01 AM #59
Originally posted by Ruthven:
she seems quite dense in general, but she has potential, she has an understand of Literature that surpasses mine (then again, i'm anti English, I only care for art and science)

I just hope she gets the points i made, theres a bright world out there, full of academic achievement and successful lifestyle :/


Literature is an art. And also, to some extent, the means for a humanitarian approach to science.
幻術
2010-06-01, 3:44 PM #60
I had a psycho girl like that one time. Run away, run away.
2010-06-01, 3:50 PM #61
I deplore Literature but only because I dont 'get' it.
She is however quite a good artist, hence i had some respect for her, but everything else obscured her good points. Its been 4 days and her face is still haunting me, that look of absolute sadness and disapproval.

**** i just realised she was wearing my white hoodie! >:( i'm never gonna get that back now
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2010-06-01, 3:52 PM #62
Originally posted by Koobie:
And also, to some extent, the means for a humanitarian approach to science.


Ugh, yeah her lingering respect for life and obsession over children was quite sickening. If it was up to people like that, the world would be be awashed with 20 billion humans blighting the land and starving to death.
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2010-06-01, 4:01 PM #63
If it wasn't for people like that, we wouldn't exist or at least a lot of us wouldn't
You can't judge a book by it's file size
2010-06-01, 4:05 PM #64
Originally posted by Ruthven:
Originally posted by Koobie:
And also, to some extent, the means for a humanitarian approach to science.
Ugh, yeah her lingering respect for life and obsession over children was quite sickening. If it was up to people like that, the world would be be awashed with 20 billion humans blighting the land and starving to death.


I suppose you're being ironic, but what in the world are you talking about?
幻術
2010-06-01, 4:23 PM #65
that some people dont realise theres more to life than making babies and living off child benefits.
Thats what she believed when i met her. She's come so far in 2 years mentally, realised the error of her ways, but she seemed to forget i showed her that when this situation blew up

yeah, tangent
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2010-06-01, 4:27 PM #66
Try getting a pet hamster. You can teach it to do tricks.

All right, I didn't want to be mean. However, why would you still go on talking about this girl?

She sounds silly and too much of a nuisance.
幻術
2010-06-01, 4:28 PM #67
that's why she looooooooooves you
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2010-06-01, 11:33 PM #68
Originally posted by zanardi:
If I were in your shoes I would hang onto her. I love a good challenge. Those young ones you can mold into a peice of art.


hahaha, best thing I've read all night.
Cordially,
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2010-06-01, 11:39 PM #69
Originally posted by Koobie:
Try getting a pet hamster. You can teach it to do tricks.


un-strikethru'd for truth
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2010-06-02, 6:07 AM #70
from the sounds of it, your not her responsability and yea there were a few hick-ups in your meetings but if she angers you then it shows that its not worth the hassle.

proably could of delt things bit better and not angry but again you learn from your mistakes
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