We got some series Godwining in here

I'm mocking him, genius.

Captain Obvious does battle with his mortal enemy, Doctor Subtlety.

I didn't know he got a doctorate! Sneaky bugger

He had a class with Prof.Leniency
I swear you could get a degree from him just by existing

Israel had a right to board/ disrupt the flotilla, even though it was in international waters, because the organizers had explicitly stated their intent to disregard the Israeli blockade. The blockade was internationally recognized, so why is everyone shocked that the Israeli's stopped the ship?

Also, as more information comes out about the raid I'm finding it hard to sympathize with the flotilla, if I sympathize with them at all. They were purposely entering into a war zone and disregarding an internationally recognized blockade. If you're going to throw yourself into the fray you can't be shocked if you take some casualties. It was a shame that people were killed, but we're not talking about a cruise ship that wandered into the wrong part of the Med.

The Israeli Navy warned the flotilla and told them to go to a different port to deliver supplies. I'm not sure if the video was posted here or not.

Gee, who knew that there would be more to this story? Shocking!

yeah... its amazing how almost everytime something happens and the international community rushes to decry the "evils" of israel, there is more to the story.

After watching these videos, it's hard to side with the "activists" on the Marmara.

And, IDF's response to the legality of various aspects of the incident: http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/10/06/0301.htm. Not sure if it's legit, but just putting it out there.

Both sides must have been scared ****less.

Jews flying out of the sky tends to darken your day.

But getting hit in the face with a wristrocket wielded someone who wants 72 virgins can't be much better. And molotov cocktails? Yuck.

I'm no big fan of Israel or their actions, but it sure does seem like these days people are extremely eager to paint them as the bad guys.

It seems to me like the biggest criticism of Israel here should be for sending so few poorly armed soldiers against so many terrorists. To their credit they still accomplished the mission despite the overwhelming odds.

Because every single person on that boat was a "Terrorist". Not like there was anyone there just trying to do good.

Well, you're either with the terrorists or against them...

No, however, it's obvious from the aerial video that a large number, possibly the majority, of the crew/passengers were combatants during the situation.

On a side note I think I saw someone I trained with in the news clips. I guess he's an officer now. Sweet.

Go back to Auschwitz!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899131,00.html

Just when you think you know what's going on.
God dammit, it's seriously getting hard to figure out the middle east.

Hahaha, that's awesome!

EDIT:I've overheard some interesting radio traffic before. Army units calling for a QRF because they see armed men. Marine units responding that what they are seeing are Marines. Silence from the Army unit. Ah, good times.

Then theres this supposed gem. Doubt it's real, but it sounds like a typical obnoxious American pilot response.


Iranian Air Defense controller: "Unidentified aircraft, you are in Iranian airspace without authorization."
Reply from pilot: "I am in Iraqi airspace, not Iran."
Iranian Air Defense controller: "You must identify yourself."
Reply from pilot: "This is a United States aircraft in Iraqi airspace."
Iranian Air Defense controller: "You must leave Iranian airspace or we will send interceptors to shoot you down."
Reply from pilot: "This is a United States Marine Corps F/A-18 fighter. Send them up. I'll wait."
Iranian Air Defense controller: (silence)

Say what you will about "typical obnoxious American pilot response", but I thought that was a pretty stone cold bad ass thing to say

As far as I'm concerned, if you have the skill/balls to fly those things, you can say what ever you want.
Also yes, badass.

Badass indeed, but kinda obviously fake

Yeah, sounds fake, but if it were true I'd be going with badass

I'm always a little surprised at how polarized discussions about Israel are. Plenty of people, like you say, are immediately ready to condemn them the moment someone gets hurt. Plenty others will rush to Israel's defense no matter what they've done. Makes it awfully difficult to carry on a discussion based on silly things like facts.

A feeble, confused crowd of about 6000 took to the streets yesterday and held a rally at the Tel Aviv MOMA. Communists and Pro-Palestinian Anarchists hijacked the event chanting "we're proud to be traitors" and waving the hammer and sickle around, in effect confirming the nationalist majority's position that we're all traitors and Jew haters and making it impossible for any sane voice to be heard. Most of us just slouched our way home, disgusted and depressed.

Oh, and a smoke grenade was tossed into the crowd by some fascists who were heckling us, which made for an interesting interlude and provided the media with something interesting to cover (they otherwise took no interest in the event). Peaceniks don't sell newspapers, but fascists attacking peacniks, now that's news.

Fascists can literally be blamed for everything bad ever.

Somebody's failing Social 30.

What's social 30?

Mandatory Edmonton Anti-Anti-Sociality Course

Sarcasm 101.
I actually got 90% on my diploma.

Ah, thank you!

Oh yeah, well I got a 28 on my ACTs without studying (and hungover) and I joined the Marines.

So there.




So, we can see, that modern academic rranking, particularly in America, is based solely on how well you mesh with that particular system and has very little to do with how intelligent you actually are.

Yeah, but what did you get on your ASVAB, Spook?

A million.

This. It's all about following the rules. Education != Intelligence

90. My GT score is like 131 or something.

Yes, I did well on a test that has only marginally more reference to your intelligence, and even less effect on your future!

In other news, I'm not usually one to defend the Israelis, but they were right in this case. You break the blockade, you get your **** ruined. Maybe the flotilla folks weren't "terrorists" and maybe they did intend on helping people - so what, they still have to follow the rules.

I can't go and bust though airport security, fail to stop when I am told, struggle with the officers, then complain when I get my ass beat, even if I was trying to do something good. This is basically what those flotilla-tards were doing.

I didn't read the whole thread.., but skimming the article, I can't help but think that something else was going on. I don't think Israeli commandos would have seven guys getting hurt if they were 'shooting at sleeping civilians', as the article claims.

They weren't prepared for the people on the boat to start stabbing them and beating them with rods as they fast-roped down the line. Most of the initial troops were armed with LTL anti-riot weapons.

What do y'all think of Helen Thomas's comments on the subject?