You practically have to have brain damage to fail the ASVAB.

No, but the difference between the top people, and the second to top people is a small fraction.

63-93 is the average, I was reading.

I want to be in the 93-99 range, and if they ask me some science crap, I'm not gonna know it.

If you score over ~70 with decent line scores, you qualify for effectively everything and you CAN retake it during your career. Being over 80 or so really consists of bragging rights in most situations. It's not like the officer corps where a few points on an evaluation can determine whether you are a scout sniper platoon commander or a food services officer.

http://www.military.com/ASVAB will help you as well as anything.

Hey I didn't know there was a practice test online...

Also, based on my line scores I qualify for all the jobs in the Marines... Though I'm aware of the fact that I can only get open assignments.

Oh, ****, I gotta remember to add up my college credits before I do anything else as well.... If I have enough I get a raise/promotion/whatever. I think it's 24 you need? I *might* have that many after being in and out of school since 2004 haha.

Your recruiter should be able to get ahold of your transcripts and determine that. They're not going to take your word on it unfortunately.

Get him to do it? Hell yea.

It was going to be a PITA because they are spread across like 4 colleges, and each one would want me to mail them a letter with my written permission to send a copy of the transcripts. Dunno why schools are so stupid like that.

Well he's likely going to have to do it anyway, so...

And if they are local schools he will be there preying on directionless slobs regardless.

Ugh...I work at in a university records office and I can't tell you how annoying it is when recruiters call in and demand transcripts to be sent with no release proxy on file. By law, we can't release them without the student's permission. Blame FERPA!

(just had to throw my 2 cents in; it was a long day. and honestly, it's usually a whole lot easier to request them yourself...y'know, so at least you know you're requesting from the correct college and all >_<)

Actually, it's more in your interest to take care of this. He could probably care less unless he has plenty of free time and feels like he needs to baby you in order to get you to join. Regardless, the guidance counselors will likely require official transcripts. YOU need to get these, and you can clarify with the counselor, but as long as you have them on you ship out trip to the MEPS you should be fine. I would have to do some research but this actually came up for a kid in my unit a couple years ago. I believe the regulation states that as long as you provide the documentation within six months of entering active duty you can be retroactively promoted. In the Army anyway. If this becomes an issue for you and you need some help with research, let me know.

Hell yeah, I would curse them to no end. However, if they have the proper release from the SF86 signed you should honor that without issue. Otherwise it would seem like you would be more of the stereotypical red tape problem that irritates the heck out of people.

I cant quite remember my ASVAB scores, but it was more than satisfactory, My recruiter said that I was eligible for many technical type MOS's but there was no quota or openings at that time, The Recruiter said if I wait for another six months I could retest and maybe qualify again for a technical MOS. I said I'll take the best of the present occupations. I was given this selection:

Infantry (mechanized)
M1Abrahms Tank Crewman (Armored)
Air Defense Artillery (Armored)
and the rest were retarded

I chose Air Defense Artillery: 16Romeo (Vulcan Gunnery/PIVADS) and 16Sierra (Stinger Missile System) which later became my secondary MOS.
I didnt really want to bore anybody with this information, but I thought I would share my past army experience.

OK enough, this thread is about Squirrel King not me.

No, please all share any and all Army experiences you have.

I'd love to hear about it.

You got it. There is quite a bit but not as much as Wookie06 has for experience. I'll tell what, I'll create a thread if you dont mind about what I experienced when I was enlisted in the Army.

Edit: Give me till tomorrow, I have to call it a night. btw I'll be completely honest about my story.

Whew, thank God. I thought you were going to lie.

Well, I didn't do as well as I had hoped, but I still qualify for every job.

You gotta be pretty retarded to not qualify for everything, it seems.

I'm still gonna take a hit on available jobs after my physical though.

and blah, need a reference for every job and place I've lived ... oh god.

I have at least 24 credits, so I start at E2 instead of E1

Dude, do not that take reference **** as seriously as it sounds.... if you didn't have the job for over 1 year it doesn't count. If you didn't live at that place for 2 years it doesn't count.

Absolutely false. There are very his score requirements for many jobs so you either basically maxed the test or are being fed a load of bull. Either way, you probably still have a respectable score. What is your AFQT?

Uh... I don't know, Wookie... I qualify for every job in the Marines... It's not really impossible for him to have qualified for everything as well..

Also, what was your AFQT... I wanna know too!

He doesn't really have a choice in the matter. If the recruiter is completing his paperwork and tells him he needs it, he needs it. Besides, where in the hell did you get that information? The SF 86 makes no such statements.

Dude... I'm not even going into it...

Um, yeah, but you're talking about the Marines.

If you have an AFQT around 80 or higher I would say there is a good likelihood of qualifying for most jobs but that doesn't mean someone couldn't score that well and bomb the science or mechanical sections, for example, which would limit jobs. I do agree that it isn't that hard but that comes from the perspective of someone who went into the test with a solid foundation in every subject on the test.

I had a 93 AFQT... my highest scores were in the areas that didn't matter to the Marines. I still qualify for every job in the Marines. I qualified for every job in the Air Force as well, as the Air Force liason at MEPS tried to intercept me to let me know this and show me on a chart... which I later researched to find he was correct.

In fact, the 4 line scores that the Marines count were my lowest on the test, which is why I am going to OCS...

I completely doubt that you don't complete the electronic version of the SF 86 when joining the Marines. You probably have no real idea of what "paperwork" was completed because your recruiter did it all. He asked you what he wanted to know and filled it out to his satisfaction and how he knew would get it through the MEPS. It's strange how you so blatantly admit that you lie through the entire process, or should, and then talk about standards. Do the "serious interviews" the Marines conduct discover all these things you encourage lying about?

I'm not going to further discuss this. Squirrel King can take whatever advice he wants. I was completely honest with my recruiter about my past, and by following his instructions, and the instructions of his CO, I got through MEPS with no problems at all.

Yea, he did tell me if I moved, but it was in the same area, don't worry about it.

But I've moved state to state a lot.

Though the guy at the center was telling me basically the only references that they would call, if they even do, are the general ones, not the job/residence ones. And I put down all my army buddies for that, so it's all good.


Though I'm really wondering if I should put down my felony.
I don't want it to come back and bite me in the ass later, but it was expunged.. so meh. I don't want to hurt my chances by putting it down, but I don't want to get in trouble later for lying if they find out.


Oh, and I got a 78. Which is why I was surprised I qualified for all the jobs.

The felony would probably be important to list.

The problem with a felony conviction, even if it is expunged, is that it probably disqualifies you from the Army. However, depending on the charge you can get a waiver. Problem is, when the Army is making its recruiting goals it is less likely to consider a waiver. Of course it is possible that the charge won't come up if you don't disclose it but I can't encourage you to lie. Now, it is not uncommon to have to submit a request for a Secret Security Clearance while you are in the Army. Many duty positions require you to hold that level of security clearance. I doubt an expunged charge would survive that type of scrutiny so you would be opening yourself up to problems later on by not disclosing the charge. This is the problem with the type of advice you are getting in this thread. It is narrow and short-sighted. Getting through your trips to the MEPS doesn't mean your home free. I understand why you haven't been forthcoming this time. Do what you think is right. It's possible that if you do talk to your recruiter about this he'll tell you to lie about it just like the Marine recruiters discussed in this thread.

If you need or want any specific advice you can PM me.