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Last day for Minecraft Alpha passes!
2010-12-19, 12:34 PM #1
As of tomorrow minecraft enters Beta, which means Notch is raising the price.
Things you get with an alpha pass but not a beta pass:
Free updates forever
Half price

Buy it, you have no other choice.
2010-12-19, 12:39 PM #2
So all you do in this minecraft game is lay down bricks?
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2010-12-19, 12:43 PM #3
bricks, yeah, and THE LAW
2010-12-19, 1:07 PM #4
An ingenious ploy to get as many people to buy it right now as possible.

And then he will never update it again.

Also, it's not ready for beta.
2010-12-19, 1:25 PM #5
I think we have till the 20th tho....
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-19, 2:23 PM #6
Originally posted by Tibby:
Things you get with an alpha pass but not a beta pass:
Free updates forever


Which is why, should I ever wish to play it again, I would only ever pirate it.
I'm just a little boy.
2010-12-19, 3:06 PM #7
The software is free to download.

But you have to log in to play single player or multiplayer. You have to have an account to log in with.
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2010-12-21, 8:17 AM #8
The change to beta has seriously cut my fps in half. :(
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2010-12-21, 9:15 AM #9
Beta has effectively broken SMP. Everyone gets a Java Timeout error after so long. The only real improvement I'm waiting for is new stuff. Running out of ideas, a man can only do so much with a small group of rocks.
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2010-12-21, 11:41 AM #10
This game is slowly dying. It's darkly amusing.
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2010-12-21, 11:44 AM #11
Minecraft goes into Beta.
Minecraft then proceeds to not work.
2010-12-21, 1:00 PM #12
works fine for me. my better lighting and better grass mods don't, though. :(
DO NOT WANT.
2010-12-21, 2:10 PM #13
Originally posted by Zell:
works fine for me. my better lighting and better grass mods don't, though. :(


Mods always get broken when the game updates, it's up to the individual mod authors to make their mods work with each new version. I'm pretty sure there are already new versions of better lighting and better grass with the new version.

Notch has said that one thing he hopes to add while the game is in beta is support for mods, so that this will be less likely to happen in the future.
2010-12-21, 3:37 PM #14
He only wants mod support so other people will improve the game for free.
2010-12-21, 11:59 PM #15
Beta has effectively broken SSP. Everyone gets 10 frames per second. But at least leaves decay again.
2010-12-22, 12:13 AM #16
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Beta has effectively broken SSP. Everyone gets 10 frames per second. But at least leaves decay again.


I kind of liked being able to light leaves on fire and have them stay.

It added an apocalyptic flare to my base, which had water and lava towers as well. :psyduck:
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2010-12-22, 12:14 AM #17
I was expecting, like, an update. Not crap.

No new anything.

I haven't witnessed this "leaf decay" firsthand yet. I'm not even sure how it works (some leaves turn brown?). But at the very least it seems underwhelming.
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2010-12-22, 12:28 AM #18
It works via an incomprehensible tangle of redundant code. Judging by the fact that I get 10 frames per second on a ****ing Mac Pro.
2010-12-22, 1:09 AM #19
"Turns out the extreme lag IS because of leaf decay. I feel sad now.
about a minute ago"
-Notches Twitter
2010-12-22, 1:36 AM #20
au contraire:
"Nevermind me, because I am a brilliant god of programming, and I fix leaf decay by using tricky sneakery and dead sexiness! :D :D :D"
-also notch's twitter
DO NOT WANT.
2010-12-22, 1:51 AM #21
If your code doesn't suck to begin with, then you don't need to use 'tricky sneakery' to fix a small aspect of it.
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2010-12-22, 1:55 AM #22
Sneaking around the blockades that he himself put up.
Then he has to sneak around the trail of sneaking.
Before you know it half the code is based on getting around the other half.
2010-12-22, 2:20 AM #23
brilliant sexy god of programming

Code: 
for(Block b : world) {
  if(b.compareTo(new Block(BlockType.Wood)) == 0) {
    for(Block wb : world) {
      if(wb.compareTo(new Block(BlockType.Leaves)) == 0) {
        if(wb.euclideanDistanceTo(b) < 5.0f) {
          wb.decayTimer = 0.0; // Reset decay timer so it doesn't expire!!
        }
      }
    }
  }
}
2010-12-22, 2:24 AM #24
dear god, I hope world isn't what I think it is
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-12-22, 2:37 AM #25
I'm no programmer, but that doesn't look like any code I've ever seen.
Working code anyway.
2010-12-22, 2:38 AM #26
Quadratic time is the best time.
2010-12-22, 2:41 AM #27
Hey guys, I'm not sure if a block 20 miles away is less than 5 feet away. Let's check them all.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2010-12-22, 2:50 AM #28
To clarify: I'm way too busy to actually decompile Minecraft and find out what Notch is doing wrong.
2010-12-22, 2:56 AM #29
Everything?
2010-12-22, 3:09 AM #30
...wasn't it just the last thread where you were raving about how awesome Notch is?
2010-12-22, 4:23 AM #31
I'm not really a Java guy, but are we only complaining about the syntax/formatting of the code, or the actual code from that code snippet?

I get that it's not formatted perfectly :P.
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2010-12-22, 5:24 AM #32
I'm assuming, based on what Jon`C said, that it wasn't a real code snippet. But rather an example of doing everything wrong that one would expect to find in the minecraft source.
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2010-12-22, 5:50 AM #33
No, not everything. I made a mistake: there are more non-leaf blocks than regular blocks, so the comparison check is less non-optimal. Old habit. To more accurately reflect the Minecraft source code you should switch

wb.compareTo(new Block(BlockType.Leaves)) == 0

and

wb.euclideanDistanceTo(b) < 5.0f

which will perform 281 trillion floating point square roots per frame, just like the real code.
2010-12-22, 5:59 AM #34
So basically, if you switch those, there is less search/overhead on the program due to the order of the commands.
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2010-12-22, 6:09 AM #35
what you should take away from this is that it's an O(n^2) algorithm for a problem that should be solved in O(n). That's it.
2010-12-22, 10:25 AM #36
How is this beta and before, that was alpha? I'm kind of getting sick of this. It was actually more fun before Halloween and I've been trying to stay positive and give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's clear he both doesn't know what he's doing, and isn't willing to admit it. I've clearly been there before, but it's pretty frustrating that he's being financially rewarded for continuously breaking what is barely passable for a game. I know people in person who have games further along in development without any community support or paypal accounts. It doesn't seem fair, and doesn't make me feel hopeful for indie game development in general.
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2010-12-22, 10:49 AM #37
This is a bit random, but I was crafting some stuff in a cave I dug out a few blocks from my spawn point when I started hearing weird noises... I went outside and found a portal just sittin there... is this normal??:psyduck:
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2010-12-22, 11:14 AM #38
i love how pretty much everyone here hates notch's code but no one can be assed to actually e-mail him about it or tell him he's wrong.
DO NOT WANT.
2010-12-22, 11:15 AM #39
I'm certain someone has told him. The modders on the site fix his broken code hours after he releases an update.
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2010-12-22, 11:40 AM #40
Originally posted by Jon`C:
...wasn't it just the last thread where you were raving about how awesome Notch is?

I denied it at first, but I have seen the evidence to support him being a ****ty programmer.
He's still a cool guy and a hell of a businessman though.
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