I'm doing the ccdw class and test today.

I bought a sigma 9mm that... Well I'll post a picture of it later.

Does anyone else here have their ccdw?

Yep.

Since I was 19

CCDW = Carry Concealed Deadly Weapons

For all of us not familiar with acronym

I've always lol'd at the fact that it generally takes more work to get permitted to carry many less lethal weapons than lethal ones. I don't remember getting shot to carry a gun but I vividly remember getting ****ing OC sprayed and electrified.

Well, they outlaw all the non-lethal weapons for regular citizens around here so we're only left with one option: guns. We can't legally carry things like tazers, knight sticks, swords, knives with blades longer than 3 inches, mace, etc.

Yes, I have my concealed pistol permit. All I had to do was fill out a form and pay $$ I think.

None of those weapons are non-lethal.

I'm a fairly vocal opponent of concealed-carry on this forum. I'm also a vocal opponent of police being trained to treat LTL weapons as "non-lethal." If you combine the two you get pretty close to my opinion about random jackasses walking around with a taser.

At least most people who own pistols have some respect for firearms.

...on the other hand, if dudes are going around tasing each other all the time maybe governments will actually fund a study on "positional asphyxia" instead of burying the problems with their LTL weapon policies.

I think most police departments these days are pretty good about training for less than lethal. Personally I'd rather be tased than get the **** beat out of me with a nightstick. I know a few brothers who got on the wrong side of the police one night and ended up getting beaten really badly with maglites during the fight; one of them has memory problems now.

But yeah, I completely agree about it not being a good idea to have tasers sold on the shelf at walmart.

Rob, is this the S&W Sigma that you're referring to? Two of my friends have these. They're decent guns, and definitely cheap, but man do they show it. The trigger, especially, was pretty rough. They get the job done, though.

I've got my CCW license, I carry an XD45C most of the time when I'm not in class. It's a little bulky sometimes, next time I get a little extra money to spend, I'll probably get a smaller carry gun for when the XD is impractical.

Batons are considered LTL, BTW.

And Less Than Lethal is as much of a misnomer as Non Lethal. The correct term is Less Lethal, IMO.

90% of the reason I have mine is so that I can transport my guns to places where I shoot them with less hassle.

In Texas, its mandatory to possess a deadly weapon.

It's not really the departments. Taser propagates the idea that tasers are "safe" and everyone believes them.

In Soviet Russia, deadly weapon possess you.

Well, I'm sure they do overstate the safety of their device, but I still think that a taser is far safer than the alternatives available IF the officers are using them in the right situations. That's a big if, of course.

They don't just overstate the safety, they pretty much commit fraud outright. They aggressively market tasers to police forces as totally non-lethal, and demonstrate it in carefully orchestrated training sessions that border on bait-and-switch (sometimes the police officers who get tased do get seriously hurt, but they are always given large out-of-court settlements after they sign a NDA.)

Taser International also abuses the court system horribly, preemptively suing anybody who tries to conduct a study into the safety of the weapons. There's an ongoing inquiry in B.C., and Taser has been fighting it every step of the way (even though it's actually about RCMP misconduct, and not taser safety! They desperately want police officers to use them as a first resort!)

Not to derail the thread even more, but Taser International just pisses me off so much.

Regardless of what you think, they're an awesome tool if used properly.

And the problem is that they're NOT used properly for the reasons outlined above.

You ever used yours on a criminal, JLee?

Why do you need a gun at any given time if you aren't a cop.

What you're really asking.

We don't have them where I work now. I didn't need to use mine, but guys I worked with did.



Most of the time they are - you just don't hear about it.

I saw a guy get tased in my front yard awhile back. It was pretty cool.

And that makes it okay?

What is the object of your sentence sir.

Nah it just means that your statement was wrong.

Does Taser sign your paycheck or what? WTF.

Nah, my post actually has relevance to the topic.

Is America really that bad? I've been in the "Worst" parts of Edmonton and never felt I needed a deadly weapon to protect myself.

Not generally, but stuff happens.

No, we're taking about how Taser Interational is a bad company. You're talking about how they're good. Your posts are totally off topic.

Uh... really? There are some parts of Edmonton where I wish I'd have one, and I'm not even Asian so it's not like they're actively out to kill me.

I thought we were talking about how Rob was going to get a CCDW. Some Canadians started talking about Tasers.

Actually Spook started talking about how it's more legal to carry a gun than a less-lethal weapon, and then BrianL said they've basically banned all "non-lethal" weapons like tasers and bear spray and plasma cannons and syringes full of AIDS and this is a subject I get heated about.

A syringe full of AIDS is a fairly useless defensive weapon. I should start carrying around my bow and arrows.

I refuse to get a CCW because I don't like the fact that it entitles the DoJ to barge into my home uninvited and demand to see my firearms at any given time. They probably won't, but I still don't like it. Plus my county really sucks balls in issuing permits (we're a "may issue" state).

For personal defense, I carry a pocket knife, and I can run really for fast for about 90 seconds. Being 6'3 has also helped prevent any potential disputes I may have encountered.

lol california

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lol NH

goddamn censors. -8F vs 58F

-8? It was -10 earlier....-8 would be an improvement!

...what? I said they were not used properly. The fact that it doesn't happen often doesn't make this untrue. Your argument is the same as saying the death penalty is okay because only sometimes innocent people are killed.

Any time one of these subjects come up you throw up a dozen knee jerk defense mechanisms instead of acknowledging that there's a problem.

I don't need a concealed weapon anyway, though I don't like being told I can't have one. My biggest complaint about the local gun laws is not that certain things are prohibited (though it is annoying at times), but rather that I simply don't like the state telling me what to do or not do when there is no legitimate purpose for it. It doesn't seem to cause problems anywhere else, why bother enforcing it here?

But as I said, I don't really need one. I'm only really ever at work or home, and any other place I may be has enough cops that no one would do anything stupid. You can't spit on the ****ing sidewalk without getting a citation.

My house, however, has firearms all over the place.

And I said "most of the time" they are used properly. Hell I even qualified that in my first statement, then you go on about 'well they're NOT!' Maybe next time be a little more specific to avoid confusing people like me who take things literally.

If I wasn't acknowledging a problem, wouldn't I be saying that Tasers are ALWAYS used properly? I'd also like you to show me every thread in which I make "a dozen knee jerk defense mechanisms"...I don't think you'll find ONE.