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8.9 Earthquake in Japan.
2011-03-10, 11:46 PM #1
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Tsunamis expected, video of ten meter waves.
2011-03-11, 12:11 AM #2
Damn, that's a big one.

Some serious shakin' going on over there right now.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php
2011-03-11, 12:14 AM #3
That's about five times taller than me, and I'm a freakin' giant! @_@
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2011-03-11, 1:33 AM #4
My TV just got interrupted with an emergency alert. Tsunami warning for my county and all others along the west coast. Sirens going off in Hawaii and WA according for various cable news channels. I'm not totally sure what to think. Hawaiian cities are fleeing for high ground, I guess It's supposed to hit there pretty soon then the west coast by about 7-9 AM PST.
2011-03-11, 1:35 AM #5
Another vid: http://index.hu/kulfold/2011/03/11/videok_a_japan_foldrengesrol/

Holy crap.
幻術
2011-03-11, 6:02 AM #6
****

Half of my reserve company just got there before this happened.

****
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-03-11, 6:21 AM #7
And this is right after the huge earthquake in New Zealand. I wonder if there's any connection?
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2011-03-11, 6:26 AM #8
Some people on some forums are reporting now that Yellowstone is having tremors or some sort of activity that was previously not there. Not sure how valid this is but if true, that's... scary.

Something is definitely going on with this planet.
2011-03-11, 6:38 AM #9
I have a lot of friends on Japan, because my school had a sister school in Japan, so some of my friends were either Japanese students studying here or American students who were Asian Studies majors and moved to Japan after graduation. Thankfully, everyone I know but one is accounted for, and the other one lives in Tokyo, which I heard wasn't hit, so I'm beyond relieved.

But I had no idea it had even hit until a friend of mine went "Don't worry, everyone's accounted for." (to which I replied "...huh?")

But I know they evacuated parts of Hawaii to higher ground, and I've been told it's suppose to hit the west coast, but not on the scale of Japan or Hawaii. Be careful, everyone out there!
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2011-03-11, 6:54 AM #10
"The official Kyodo news agency is reporting that about 88,000 people are missing.
around 330 people dead so far"

EDIT: "Thousands of people are being evacuated from near the Fukushima power plant, where a state of emergency has been declared. The cooling system failed in one of its reactors when it shut down automatically because of the earthquake.

The local government urged 2,000 nearby residents to evacuate the area as a precaution. Prime Minister Naoto Kan said no radiation leaks at that power plant or any of the other reactors in the quake-hit zone had been detected."

LATER UPDATE: "The Kyodo news agency is now citing a safety panel as saying that the radiation level inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant is 1,000 times higher than normal."
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2011-03-11, 7:07 AM #11
Originally posted by Temperamental:
Some people on some forums are reporting now that Yellowstone is having tremors or some sort of activity that was previously not there. Not sure how valid this is but if true, that's... scary.

Something is definitely going on with this planet.


o ya
2011-03-11, 7:21 AM #12
Originally posted by Temperamental:
Some people on some forums are reporting now that Yellowstone is having tremors or some sort of activity that was previously not there. Not sure how valid this is but if true, that's... scary.

Something is definitely going on with this planet.


lolwut? Earthquakes are natural events. When theres an magnitude 8.9 earthquake you can probably expect for it to reverberate through the planet.
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2011-03-11, 7:27 AM #13
I'm not debating it, if you want to do so, go debate with them (not turning a thread like this into a debate). I am just retorting what other's that monitor seismology equipment are reporting. You don't have to believe what they say, but before you dismiss it I say go study the data yourself before doing so.

I won't post links to their forums, but I'll try to find some of the data they've posted, should some be interested to see it.
2011-03-11, 7:28 AM #14
There is always something going on with the planet, your saying it like the world is going to end.
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2011-03-11, 7:32 AM #15
Quote:
Some people on some forums are reporting now that Yellowstone is having tremors or some sort of activity that was previously not there. Not sure how valid this is but if true, that's... scary.


I don't think I said that at all. Just that the thought of something happening with YS is scary and that there is something going on with Earth. Whatever the cause, or outcome, it doesn't matter. Any earthquake is scary as hell, especially one like this. But I certainly didn't say or allude to it being "the end of the world".
2011-03-11, 7:33 AM #16
I think what mb was saying is that it's not weird for an earthquake of that magnitude to cause tremors through other parts of the world. He's not doubting that they're actually feeling the tremors, he's actually validating it.

But yes, it is scary. Who knows what implications this will have and where?
Fincham: Where are you going?
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2011-03-11, 7:35 AM #17
Oh of course, I understand what MB was saying. But I was replying to more than just his post :)

Of course an 8.9 magnitute quake is going to cause other problems/tremors throughout the world. This was a huge one, there's no doubt about that. But even the people who were in the earthquake are saying that this earthquake felt "different" from the other ones they've experienced. I'm not sure what exactly that's supposed to mean, and I've only experienced one earthquake in my life which was only somewhere around 2.9.

Quote:
But yes, it is scary. Who knows what implications this will have and where?


That's the point. It's not about "Earthquakes are normal.. Aftershocks are normal... Of course it's going to cause problems.." It's moreso the fact that considering this was one of the biggest earthquakes in our lifetime's, WHAT are the reprucussions, WHERE will it affect, and HOW will it affect those spots. Yellowstone is just one of many possible places, but it is by far the most threatening. Nobody can tell what is going to happen because of this earthquake. It could awaken certain volcanoes, other active zones, or it may not even affect them at all. But just the POSSIBILITY that it could do that, is what's scary. And of course, then again it might not even do anything. It's all speculation, but those theories have some horrible outcomes if they end up coming to fruition.

If Yellowstone goes, you might as well kiss the entire USA goodbye. That's just one possible outcome. Unlikely as it might be.

EDIT: Just saw a professor on BBC reporting that they also expect an even larger earthquake possible to hit Japan or surrounding areas. Jesus
2011-03-11, 7:50 AM #18
Sorry I guess I misread the tone of what you wrote. I understand what you're saying now. I thought you were going "zomg 2012!"

Anyway, BBC just reported that the West Coast doesn't to be in any sort of Tsunami danger. The wave should be hitting southern cali in the next 15-20 min.

Trying to keep up with the NOAA website but its loading really slow.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-03-11, 7:54 AM #19
LOL 2012. No I'm not one of those.

Yeah every site is being hit right now with traffic. I just heard something about the BBC reporting a Dam breaking... But can't find anything on the bbc website.
2011-03-11, 7:59 AM #20
I love that I'm not the only American Massassian that goes to BBC for world news.
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2011-03-11, 7:59 AM #21
I'm not American. :)


EDIT: Yep, a couple different stations apparently had scientists on talking about the aftereffects. One of them stated that there is a small fear that this could trigger larger earthquakes and even spark the San Andreas fault. Not fear mongering, just reporting what some places/people are saying. At least this time it's straight from an expert's mouth. Was on BBC. Can't find link, but This is the guy: http://www.gly.bris.ac.uk/people/gh.html
2011-03-11, 8:16 AM #22
Originally posted by mb:
Sorry I guess I misread the tone of what you wrote. I understand what you're saying now. I thought you were going "zomg 2012!"

Anyway, BBC just reported that the West Coast doesn't to be in any sort of Tsunami danger. The wave should be hitting southern cali in the next 15-20 min.

Trying to keep up with the NOAA website but its loading really slow.

Why is there a big wa--HOLY SHI---
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2011-03-11, 8:19 AM #23
http://japan.person-finder.appspot.com/

This is ****ing sad. Reading through names seeing

"This person has been reported as....Dead."
"Please help finding my son... He was last seen floating down a street.." - Description: This person is a 1 year old baby.

The worst part is that there are actually ****ing idiots TROLLING these people. What. The. ****.

Wow..Just...Wow.
2011-03-11, 9:43 AM #24
Originally posted by sugarless:
I love that I'm not the only American Massassian that goes to BBC for world news.


I go there after CSM and Al Jazeera...
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-03-11, 10:22 AM #25
To be fair, CNN was the only other news source that popped up in my google search.
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2011-03-11, 10:23 AM #26
Damn. I've never heard of an earthquake that large before. I hope the aid and rebuilding process goes smoothly..
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2011-03-11, 12:10 PM #27
I've got a lecturer at uni that went to Japan at the end of last week and he's off to do some sort of large underwater experiment off the coast.

Originally posted by Freelancer:
Damn. I've never heard of an earthquake that large before. I hope the aid and rebuilding process goes smoothly..

The quake in Chile last year was the same size, but the epicenter for that one was pretty much on land.
nope.
2011-03-11, 12:29 PM #28
A second one hit Japan again, this one a 6.7. Not the size of the first one but nothing to sneeze at. I actually do have a friend in Niigata, where it hit. She's been letting us know she's okay via Twitter, so she popped back on to tell us again that she's okay, but what I find real comforting is that, thousands around her without power, buildings destroyed, and her reaction was "I'd finally managed to get to sleep and the damn thing work me up!"

Or her latest 2:

"Thank you for all the messages! I'm fine, just a bit shaken up" (ba dum psh) and "I'm gonna go to bed again before the ground starts shaking again" Man I miss this chick.

EDIT: Apparently another one hit Niigata. "Another one to wake me up. Thanks, grade 4 earthquake... you suck."
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2011-03-11, 3:31 PM #29
@ mention of New Zealand : Of course it's connected. Tectonic events are always connected.
2011-03-11, 4:32 PM #30
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/index.html?hpt=T1

time for some STALKER
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2011-03-13, 6:24 AM #31
I WANT... A SATISFACTORY ENDING TO ALL OF THIS. *a nuclear meltdown happens, satisfying no one* [/STALKER SHADOW OF CHERNOBYL ENDINGS]



Anyhow, I'd pray for Japan if I prayed. Sad stuff.
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2011-03-13, 2:28 PM #32
Originally posted by landfish:
Temperatures of the coolant water in that plant's reactors soared to above 100 degrees Celsius (212 degrees Fahrenheit), Japan's Kyodo News Agency reported, an indication that the cooling system wasn't working.


It's a BWR. :suicide: **** those ****ing moron reporters.

The only thing worse than the reporting about this incident is how you get all of the Greenpeace/vegan nutters coming out of the woodworks to whine about how dangerous nuclear power is while standing hip-deep in radioactive fly ash.

In all reality a meltdown has already happened. Nobody with a clue cares. The main concern at this point is preventing a steam or hydrogen explosion inside the pressure vessel, which is why they're venting radioactive gas.

A Chernobyl-like event literally cannot happen here.
The Chernobyl reactors have a positive void coefficient (meaning the coolant slows the nuclear reaction.) Control rods have to be inserted mechanically from the top and from the bottom. When the Soviets tried to shut down the reactor, the control rods were inserted too slowly and displaced too much water, which actually caused the reaction to speed up. The faster reaction caused more of the water to boil, which reduced the density of the water and caused a further increase in the reaction rate.
The Chernobyl reactors didn't have a containment vessel, they only had a pressure vessel. The pressure vessel wasn't designed to withstand the reaction speed and the lid blew off (a steam explosion.) This was followed by a hydrogen explosion which dispersed reactor contents.

The Japanese reactors are of American design. They have a negative void coefficient (meaning the coolant is the moderator.) Control rods are dropped very quickly under the force of gravity, initially suspended by electromagnets or a hydraulic/pneumatic system (think of something like air brakes, where power is required to keep the safety disengaged.) When the control rods are dropped it causes the reaction to slow down super-ultra fast, because the control rods are simultaneously absorbing neutrons and displacing the reaction moderator. Nuclear reactions continue from short-lived isotopes produced by the primary reaction, but they produce far less heat.

In addition to the pressure vessel, the Japanese reactors have a containment vessel. The containment vessel is designed to withstand a full core meltdown. To put this in perspective, the TMI incident involved roughly half of the uranium fuel in the reactor melting down -- it didn't even breach the *pressure* vessel! A meltdown's not a big deal. In fact, Plan 'B' in this whole situation is - and always has been - sealing off the containment vessel and letting the meltdown happen.

All of this talk of "Hail Mary" (**** anybody who uses sports metaphors for serious ****, **** them in the eye socket, bunch of infantile ****ing *******s) last-ditch efforts to prevent a meltdown are completely off-the-wall because in the end the only people who would be affected by a core meltdown are the shareholders who have to pay to dispose of an entire containment vessel instead of just some singed fuel rods.
2011-03-13, 2:39 PM #33
Japan Syndrome
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2011-03-13, 4:46 PM #34
Them japanese and their bad luck with radiation...
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2011-03-13, 4:52 PM #35
A friend of mine in the US navy is stationed in Japan at the moment. She was on shore when the earthquake happened, but luckily they were all right. Their ship was just outside the range of the tsunami and was missed by about a mile and a half.

She's volunteering to help people out in the area.
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2011-03-13, 7:56 PM #36
http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
2011-03-13, 8:31 PM #37
dayum...
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2011-03-14, 9:02 PM #38
They're saying the containment vessel has been damaged on one of the reactors.

That's bad news.
2011-03-14, 9:06 PM #39
3/10/2011 + 9/11/2001 = 12/21/2012 :eng101:
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2011-03-15, 4:11 AM #40
but that equals 12/21/4012
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