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Men Don't Exist, "Truth Lies and the War on Men"
2011-04-06, 1:39 AM #41
It's the training. Videogames are similar, but it's not quite the same thing.
Warhead[97]
2011-04-06, 5:54 AM #42
Originally posted by Estelore:
:P

Things get pretty ridiculous in places like the architecture studio, where we femmes are well aware that if we even get licensed, we will be in the extreme minority within our profession. I've been told at least twice that "You're the only girl in our class who isn't a complete b*tch."
Chicks go into this major thinking they have something to prove, and they try to prove that by being type-A control freaks; their grades suffer, and the males in the class, not carrying the 'minority stigma', work brilliantly as subordinates or co-equals within group projects, reaping benefits to a degree that ticks off the chicks and just makes them try harder to gain control. It's annoying and a little bit pathetic, especially now that I've watched it happen two or three times every semester.

The biggest attempted-leader femme in my class dropped arx in favour of history today. Frankly, I'm relieved, because she was nothing better than a massive source of stress for everybody who had to work with her on a project... but it's unnerving to see the numbers dwindling so rapidly, while most of the male population from freshman year is still intact. I fully expect by grad school to be one of only two female grad students (assuming of course that my grades stay up for that long).

I can't say I know how it is for other majors, but at least in the school of architecture, there is a strong self-perceived inferiority in my female classmates, and aside from their behaviours stemming from that self-perception, there is literally no disadvantage. We have more female profs than males this year, and none of them show clear bias for gender... *shrug*

Girls are crazy. :(



So how do you approach it differently? Ie why don't you feel you have something to prove? Also, is there anything in the curriculum or general tenor of the field that is specifically chauvinist that would inspire that necessary competition, or do these ladies come in with their chip and agenda fully formed from the start?

[For context I work in a department at IBM that is probably 96% male also, but I haven't really noticed/felt that here, so just curious.]
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2011-04-06, 7:19 PM #43
Originally posted by Jon`C:
That's not really fair. Maddox is a satirist and an internet comedian. He doesn't intend for anything he says to be taken seriously, while this guy obviously has an agenda.

The Men's Rights Movement is full of people who unironically sound like or worse than Maddox, so it's not as unfair a comparison as it sounds. Even if Maddox is "joking"
2011-04-06, 7:26 PM #44
I didn't read most of these posts, sorry, but I did want to pop in here and say that the video posted does actually make some good points, and it also, in some of the cases, makes a lot of noise about nothing. But it should be noted that advertising, in particular, leads the way in completely mocking (for lack of a better word) the entire male gender. It's difficult to find even 1 ad involving men that doesn't make them look ridiculous, stupid, or otherwise unflattering. It's acceptable to do so, but if ads characterized women that way, there would be an uproar.

So like I said, some decent points, but a lot of it was bull as well. He doesn't take into account other factors - especially the news footage of the submarine. The guy being interviewed was obviously a PR person and the word choices are subtle reminders that the men down there went voluntarily and were trained for emergencies. It's absurd to be upset that we use the term gunman when we also use the term milkman, postman, etc... adding man at the end is just how our language crafts words. So yeah, a lot of the video was nonsense.

Okay I just glanced up and saw that most of the discussion isn't about the video, but about women in the military, which is something I don't have a strong opinion about, so I'll just leave it there.
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2011-04-06, 10:07 PM #45
Quote:
It's absurd to be upset that we use the term gunman when we also use the term milkman, postman, etc... adding man at the end is just how our language crafts words.


Sometimes I really wish our language was primarily romance instead of germanic. :-/
Gender-assigning languages allow for words like 'milkman' to be more socially neutral, and at the same time they dictate an etiquette for addressing people in groups of varying gender majorities.
Fun-freaky example: When watching "Pan's Labyrinth", in an early scene a general welcomes his new wife (who is pregnant) and stepdaughter. He says "Bienvenidos."
This is the masculine form of the word, only used when there is at least one male being addressed... he's speaking to his unborn child, who he assumes is male; that single line indicates immediately to anybody familiar with Spanish that he's assigning much greater importance to the foetus than to either of the females present.

*shrug* I dunno'... gender and language are just very convoluted in general. Hell, English doesn't even have a future tense.
2011-04-07, 4:25 AM #46
That's because we know the future will be perfect.
2011-04-07, 5:23 AM #47
Originally posted by JM:
That's because we know the future will be perfect.


More like plusquamperfect. Amirite?
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2011-04-07, 7:25 AM #48
Originally posted by sugarless:
It's absurd to be upset that we use the term gunman when we also use the term milkman, postman, etc... adding man at the end is just how our language crafts words. So yeah, a lot of the video was nonsense.

Except that's not true anymore.

Feminists have made it perfectly clear that terms like "policeman" and "congressman" are not appropriate, because they exclude women. Where's the outrage over "gunman?"
2011-04-07, 7:42 AM #49
(Sorry, double post)
Fincham: Where are you going?
Me: I have no idea
Fincham: I meant where are you sitting. This wasn't an existential question.
2011-04-07, 7:42 AM #50
In my experience, "policeman" is still used more widely than "policewoman," but I know how you like numbers and evidence and I have no solid numbers to back that up. But hey, for once I'm agreeing with you, Jon`C, so don't put me on the defensive! I'd consider myself a bit of a feminist, but I think third wave feminism is absolutely ridiculous, unnecessary, and counter-productive. We shouldn't be given special treatment, we should just be treated with equal respect for our intelligence.

I usually only hear the term gunman when the person in question is actually speaking about a man, though I do have to say that I haven't heard of many women going on shooting sprees, so I'm not sure how the vocabulary is commonly handled.
Fincham: Where are you going?
Me: I have no idea
Fincham: I meant where are you sitting. This wasn't an existential question.
2011-04-07, 7:57 AM #51
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Except that's not true anymore.

Feminists have made it perfectly clear that terms like "policeman" and "congressman" are not appropriate, because they exclude women. Where's the outrage over "gunman?"

Because "gunman", to feminists, disparages men. Most of the time you hear "gunman" and it's being used to describe a crime that was committed. And that's just fine and dandy to them.
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2011-04-07, 9:19 PM #52
With regards to Jon`C's point: there are and have been many conflicts with women and children as enemy combatants, have there not?
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2011-04-08, 7:39 AM #53
If "gunman" is inappropriate, I move that "human" should be stricken from the lexicon as well.
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2011-04-08, 8:03 AM #54
Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
I don't mean to disagree, but I think that as time goes on, it is become arguable whether "big and strong" is advantageous on the modern battlefield. The main advantage this brings is, as you said, being able to carry more equipment and armor. However, equipment may be getting more plentiful in many cases but it is also getting lighter and more efficient.


Lighter equipment just means you have room to add more.

"Hey with these lighter plates we can carry another fifteen pounds ammo!"


Oh wait, there's a page two? Welp...
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2011-04-08, 8:19 AM #55
Yeah but maybe it's time to start thinking of NOT adding the extra 15 pounds of ammo, so that our soldiers can keep up with their enemies.
Warhead[97]
2011-04-08, 8:38 AM #56
Why would they do that? We invented the military vehicle and bullets so THEY could keep up with the enemy.
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2011-04-09, 5:39 PM #57
On CNN and Fox News, I have seen the word "men" being used to praise for their actions or if they're victimized in some manner. So either this is some British problem or the guy has delusions, probably the latter.
2011-04-09, 9:09 PM #58
I also remember when the Chilean Coal Minors were trapped, they kept saying "...the men trapped in the mine"
Fincham: Where are you going?
Me: I have no idea
Fincham: I meant where are you sitting. This wasn't an existential question.
2011-04-10, 5:25 PM #59
That's the exact event I thought of. So like I said, I don't know if it's an issue with being politically correct with British news or if the author is twisting his evidence in some way.
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