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Lady Gaga, today only
2011-06-03, 5:43 PM #41
I hate her because her music and her gimmick are overproduced. I hate her because despite the positive message she tries to send, she sets a bad example for children, one of her main target audiences. I hate her because she's ugly. And she has a penis.
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2011-06-03, 6:02 PM #42
But has she "tweeted" her penis?
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-06-03, 6:15 PM #43
Well I disagree on all points, making you wrong.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-06-03, 6:31 PM #44
Sets a bad example for children? What?

Also, she doesn't have a penis, jesus christ people. :carl:
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-06-03, 6:33 PM #45
Originally posted by Emon:
Sets a bad example for children? What?


Have you listened to Love Games before? Have you SEEN some of her costumes? I mean, really. This isn't new. I'm not saying she's the first, but she's certainly not doing anything to stop it.
2011-06-03, 6:47 PM #46
The penis bit was a joke. As for the bad example she sets, she's done interviews in front of children suggesting that it's okay to go out on whiskey fueled benders. Not to mention a lot of her lyrics and her wardrobe choices. Like Matty said, she's not the first. That doesn't make it okay.
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2011-06-03, 8:12 PM #47
I don't know anything about the interviews but I wholly reject the notion that provocative dress or lyrics are somehow inherently harmful for children.

You know what the real problem is? Society freaking out about exposing children to t its and not treating them like real people.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2011-06-04, 3:23 AM #48
I'm not talking about dressing scantily clad. I'm talking about wearing a meat suit because she lacks the cognitive ability to actually speak out on a subject and has to resort to cheap theatrics instead. Yes, she says that she's trying to promote awareness and acceptance of the gay community and everyone who's a little different. That is good. The way she goes about it is what sets a bad example.

And you don't see the harm in talking about riding disco sticks? In music that's marketed to pre-teens? Really? Yes, other bands have innuendo and sometimes more in their lyrics. Thinking Big 10 Inch from Aerosmith. Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love. Those weren't marketed to 12 year olds.

On a side note, she claims that listening to Zeppelin, Stevie Wonder, and other popular, classic artists from that era is the reason she turned out the way she did. So... what happened to the rest of the world?
TAKES HINTS JUST FINE, STILL DOESN'T CARE
2011-06-04, 5:06 AM #49
When was her music marketed at children? :/
nope.
2011-06-04, 7:19 AM #50
2009, 2010, 2011.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-06-04, 7:34 AM #51
Originally posted by Emon:
I don't know anything about the interviews but I wholly reject the notion that provocative dress or lyrics are somehow inherently harmful for children.

You know what the real problem is? Society freaking out about exposing children to t its and not treating them like real people.


I'm sorry, but you ever had to answer a six year old who asks "what is a disco stick"? We're talking kids who willingly believe Santa is real. They aren't prepared for that sort of responsibility. It's ridiculous, this stuff actually is played on the radio, the same stations that censor foul language.
2011-06-04, 10:19 AM #52
A disco stick is like a pogo stick with lights on it.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

o.0
2011-06-04, 12:21 PM #53
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
...this stuff actually is played on the radio, the same stations that censor foul language.


I often wondered why the FCC was okay with Maroon 5's "keep her coming every night" line.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2011-06-04, 1:45 PM #54
That's an example of a double entendre, which is a little different from the innuendo behind disco stick.
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2011-06-04, 2:05 PM #55
Originally posted by Wookie06:
2009, 2010, 2011.

I'd like an example of how. It's not like she's ever popped up on Sesame Street. :P
nope.
2011-06-05, 6:57 AM #56
Google "lady gaga teen magazine".
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-06-05, 7:44 AM #57
Well that's all directed at teenagers, which means it's really nothing new for them.
nope.
2011-06-05, 7:53 AM #58
Actually, they're marketed towards "tweens" which my brief research suggests 8-12 years old is considered the range for that category.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-06-05, 8:11 AM #59


I'm genuinely interested to see some actual data that suggests that she's had a harmful effect on children (be it directly or as part of cultural group).
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2011-06-05, 8:32 AM #60
Originally posted by Wookie06:
Actually, they're marketed towards "tweens" which my brief research suggests 8-12 years old is considered the range for that category.

So teen magazines sole audience are non-teenagers. :P
nope.
2011-06-05, 9:36 AM #61
No but I didn't allege that. I just dispute your asserting that they are directed all at teenagers.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2011-06-05, 9:44 AM #62
shes not aiming her self at tweens. she write the music she likes to write and her record company decides to broaden the range from adults and teens to younger people. also how is it her fault that parents let their kids listen to stuff like that? its like my 8 year old niece. she was a fan of that crappy song "party like a rock star" for a while because my dumb ass ex-sister-in-law would always blast it in front of her.
I'm proud of my life and the things that I have done, proud of myself and the loner I've become.
2011-06-05, 9:52 AM #63
Its her music, to presume that she is not ultimately responsible for what is done with it is ridiculous. Yes, the record company may make such decisions, but she chose that record company. Also, I don't buy the whole "writes the music she likes to write". You don't get that far in the music industry without selling out at least somewhat.
2011-06-05, 10:10 AM #64
this is true, but she used to be a gogo dancer. do you think her standards are truely that high?
I'm proud of my life and the things that I have done, proud of myself and the loner I've become.
2011-06-05, 10:20 AM #65
Being a go-go dancer automatically disqualifies one from having standards?
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2011-06-05, 10:34 AM #66
Only if she wore gold boots.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2011-06-05, 12:12 PM #67
I went to the PRIDE festival here in salt lake yesterday and I heard Gaga being played every other minute.

It was a spectacular day of stereotypes.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-06-05, 12:22 PM #68
You mean fabulous.

Fabulous day.
nope.
2011-06-05, 1:16 PM #69
Originally posted by Roger Spruce:
Being a go-go dancer automatically disqualifies one from having standards?

well when your family is paying good money for you to go to high school and you drop out to be a go go dancer instead, i think your standards are lower than that of the average persons.
I'm proud of my life and the things that I have done, proud of myself and the loner I've become.
2011-06-05, 1:40 PM #70
Wait, so Lady Gaga is a bad role model? not all the actresses that are running around doing coke? okay.
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2011-06-05, 1:51 PM #71
Saying one person is a bad role model does not mean that no one else is.
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2011-06-05, 2:16 PM #72
Still hate her name. I think its more the "lady" title than the gaga part though. I mean, was she knighted?
"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."
2011-06-05, 2:26 PM #73
Originally posted by andreawesome:
well when your family is paying good money for you to go to high school and you drop out to be a go go dancer instead, i think your standards are lower than that of the average persons.


Honestly, I don't think dropping out of school and aggressively pursuing your ambitions until you achieve success is setting a bad standard for anyone.

But I have higher standards than the average person, so...
Epstein didn't kill himself.
2011-06-05, 2:28 PM #74
Im just saying that the general hate seems to be coming from 'shes different.' If her lyrics are inappropriate, don't let your kids listen to it. If they hear it on the radio I don't see how its any worse than other stuff on the radio.

I seem to recall her being very well spoken. if she wants to dress up, go for it.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-06-05, 2:28 PM #75
I'm not sure what standards have to do with dropping out of school anyway.
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2011-06-05, 2:32 PM #76
Originally posted by KOP_Snake:
Still hate her name. I think its more the "lady" title than the gaga part though. I mean, was she knighted?

The female equivalent of a knight is a dame. :carl:
nope.
2011-06-05, 3:01 PM #77
Originally posted by mb:
Im just saying that the general hate seems to be coming from 'shes different.' If her lyrics are inappropriate, don't let your kids listen to it. If they hear it on the radio I don't see how its any worse than other stuff on the radio.

I seem to recall her being very well spoken. if she wants to dress up, go for it.


She's not... different. Also, this "it's not any worse than other stuff on the radio" doesn't make it acceptable, nor do I agree with the sentiment. It's even more of a problem considering how often her music is played. In fact, I'd say the way she advertises herself as "different" is probably the least relevant thing to this conversation.
2011-06-05, 4:40 PM #78
Originally posted by KOP_Snake:
Still hate her name. I think its more the "lady" title than the gaga part though. I mean, was she knighted?


Do you also rage about Sir Mix-a-lot?
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2011-06-06, 7:45 AM #79
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
She's not... different. Also, this "it's not any worse than other stuff on the radio" doesn't make it acceptable, nor do I agree with the sentiment. It's even more of a problem considering how often her music is played. In fact, I'd say the way she advertises herself as "different" is probably the least relevant thing to this conversation.


She is different, and by different I mean shes different than the majority of pop stars out there. I'm not trying to say that because there are worse things out there, we shouldnt worry about Lady Gaga.

If we're going to argue based on song content, I DO think its the job of a parent to say "Hey you shouldnt listen to that."

Do I think shes amazing? No not really, but I am glad theres someone in the public eye thats not the 'standard.' To say shes overproduced or gimmicky is laughably ignorant and simply ignoring the rest of the industry. Im not telling you to like her music. I'm not saying shes the best public speaker out there. I just think your belief shes a bad example is wrong.
[01:52] <~Nikumubeki> Because it's MBEGGAR BEGS LIKE A BEGONI.
2011-06-06, 7:58 AM #80
Your opinion is wrong.
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