When you make a round object that possesses a superior number of dimentions pass through an object possessing an inferior number of dimentions, from the inferior object's perspective, the superior object is seen as expanding until it reaches it's maximum size and then getting smaller until it disapears.

Let me give you an example. Take a sphere, and pass it through a 2-dimentional plane. From that plane's perspective, the sphere is seen as an expanding circle until it is halfway through the 2-dimentional plane and then it gets smaller.

Let's assume that our universe as a whole obeys this law and that time is a seperate entity possessing a superior number of dimentions.

If the superior entity (time) collides with an inferior entity (our universe), then that would mean that from our perspective (as 3-dimentional beings) it would seem that time is expanding. That would also mean that eventually, time would reach it's peak (aka the end of existance within the universe), then it would logically start turning back. The effect becomes the cause, and the cause becomes the effect. Eventually things will return to a point where they will never have existed. O_o

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

No you can not go back in time. It is impossible.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

Yeah, you're not going to make much progress with this crowd, Flex.

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Cross-section of a hypersphere as it passes through a space?

Not according to your theory.

..Especially with Nauree, he seems to have a tendency on being stuck with his own biased and unopen ideas.

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indeed

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[This message has been edited by Flexor (edited January 03, 2004).]

Going by that theory, you would need to use the example of a sphere. If you used another 3 dimensional object, such as a cube, then we would never actually notice anything change past the "midpoint", if you will. This would mean that at any time, everything would just cease to be, when the cube fnishes its pass-though.

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[This message has been edited by lateralus (edited January 03, 2004).]

That depends at what angle it's passing through.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

You analogy, while interesting, is flawed. By no means is it necessary that an object of a superior number of dimensions intersecting an object of inferior number of dimensions will cause an expansion and contraction effect, the effect experienced will differ depending on the shape of the object of superior number of dimensions, for example if a pyramid of three sides were to intersect a plane with one side parallel to the plane, then from the perspective of the plane a triangle with simply proceed to come into existence, and slowly shrink until it vanished. so in the same way our universe could be the opposite, with the intersection of a 4 directional equivalent of a three directional cylindrical cone intersecting out 3 dimensional space, with the point of the cylindrical cone defining the creation of the universe, and the slope of the cone our continued expulsion, until such time as the last parallel face of the cone passes through our plane of existence, at time simply cases to exist!!!!

Additionally I must point out that it is theoretically impossible for a true intersection of two objects of different dimensional values, for such an intersection to occur the object of "lesser" dimensional values must actual have the same number of dimensions and the "greater" in order for such and intersection of occur. It is possible however that in the "lesser" dimension, some of the defined dimensions are simply not expressed, this in turn would allow for the effects you desire. However if a true intersection of objects of different dimensions were to occur you would most likely find something like this. Object A with N dimensions intersects object B with Q dimensions, resulting an a hybridized object C with N*Q dimensions, and defined states for all of them (the dimensions that is). One of the downfalls of this theory is that by defining then, all 1 dimensional objects lose consequence as the fail to effect any major dimensional change during hybridization, but simply change the objects contained within the dimensions. Thus one could hypothesize that time itself is simply a 1 dimensional entity intersecting with our multiple dimensional reality effecting change (as we perceive cause and effect) without altering our dimensional structure.

Finally in the spirit of mind bending, I would like to simply offer a challenge:
I challenge someone here to picture true acute 3-dimentional space, that is space where given a plane and a line, that there are an infinite number of other planes intersecting that line that are parallel to the original plane, and where it is possible to define a triangle (three intersecting lines) in any of these planes with a total angle of less that 90 degrees. I ask this as I find strong and compelling evidence that our universe is actually SLIGHTLY acute!!!!


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How will we find an entity of time?

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Since a two-dimensional being cannot comprehend a three-dimensional object (like a sphere), there is no way for us to comprehend a 4th-dinemsional object, making it impossible for us to make such primitive analogies.

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Now I remember why I did a physics degree.

Its total B.S all of it hahahaha


yes interesting
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Flexor, read the book 'Ghost' by Piers Anthony... please. It's not very long.

It's science fiction... but deals quite heavily in the subject you discuss here. It's about a crew selected to travel in a suspended state or somesuch nonsense, but as the travel outward, they approach the 'end of time', where the galaxy stops expanding, as it must, and gradually begins to return to it's original state in time. It's exactly waht you're talking about here (the sci-fi stuff thrown in is kinda weird though... somehow they manage to fit the seven deadly sins AND sex AND psychics into it)...

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oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

Nauree- It was also IMPOSSIBLE to cross the Atlantic, for there was no other side.
It was also IMPOSSIBLE to fly, for only birds could do it.
It was also IMPOSSIBLE to build a plane that could go faster than sound.

Ect.

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RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Not according to General Wesley Clark...

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

Stop watching the goddamn Sci-Fi channel.

But... the sci-fi channel may not be so fictional. I mean they've been showing Dante's Peak! That's gotta mean something!

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That the Board of Directors at Sci-Fi have sold out?

Fear Factor was the first.. more will come..

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In order to go back in time you would need to move BACKWARDs. NOTHING discovered moves backwards. If you go to Point A to Point B then back to Point A your still moving fowards back to Point A. You can slow down time by moving extreamly fast. Lets say normal time=1 stoped time=0 and backwards=-1. So we wana slow down time into half so 1*.5=.5. We wana slow down even more to half that .5*.5=.25. You keep halfing and halfing. No matter what if you divide a positive number by a positive number you will NEVER get a negitive or 0. And we cant divid our positive time line by a negive because then we would already be going backwards in time and that didnt happen because we didnt do it yet.

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So? It doesn't mean we can cross into another universe (which is technically impossible... it'd have to be a multiverse) where the physics in the location meant that time moves backwards.

It's kinda like the "what's on the other side of a black hole" argument, time travel. It could be nothing - a hole. Or there could be a souvenir stand filled with cosmic rip memorabelia.

And am I the only one to completely understand Flexor's post, watch a 3D-live image of it in slo-mo with camera effects and see where he's coming from?

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[This message has been edited by - Tony - (edited January 03, 2004).]

You're just explaining how it works when time is expanding.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

People talk about time as a dimension, like a sphear that you did. I dont belive its a dimension, its not an object and you dont move around in time. Infact I dont realy belive time but that its just a measurement to when something is/going/has happened. The only thing thats completely stoped me from fully beliveing that is when you move faster time slows down.

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Um... Nauree, that's not something you choose to and not believe. Time is defined as a deminsion... it's DEFINED as a deminsion. Whether you like it or not. Sorry, just the way it is.

And just because it's unlike the other three deminsions we know of doesn't mean it can't be a deminsion. Personally, I would be surprised if it stopped right there at 4 dimensions... I would imagine there's probably more, maybe even an infinate of them. Dimensions we, as 4 dimensional creatures of matter, have no physical way of measuring, detecting, or even existing in, having no awareness of them whatsoever.

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[This message has been edited by Correction (edited January 03, 2004).]

Fear Factor is good because Shannon Doherty is hot.

As for time expanding? Beh.

What if we are going back in time as we speak....

Oh boy, not another kid who tries to talk about science when he knows nothing about it...

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There is no spoon.

You're thinking of the one where they scare the crap out of people. Fear Factor is the one where they make you do stupid, undignifying stunts and acts.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Oh, you're right. I'm thinking of Scare Tactics. I still stand by my Shannon Doherty is hot comment.

Nauree: your comment is... basically useless. Flexor is not talking about Time Travel. He's talking about the fundamental nature of everything that makes up our universe. As it is beyond human comprehension at this point, you cannot tell him his theory is wrong.

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oh yeh wlel i jsut gots finesht wiht my morrwoind mod for teh JO An it takes up teh 900 gigabiets of spaec but i wlil not sowh yuo gyz teh scrnshoots becasue we dunat kare wut u gyz tihnk ne1 no wear i kan get ti hostad 4 dounlowd!!!!11!111 --Checksum

It's the classical point A ----> B linear thinking.

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