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Crazy theory regarding the expansion of time.
2004-01-03, 3:21 PM #41
Well Flexor, I see 2 problems off the top of my head with your theory.

1. (this has already been mentioned) It only works if you use sphere or similar objects, It does not work with a cube.

2. While time may get smaller it does not "start turning back". While the size of the field reduces, you never see the same point again. Do not confuse the same size of intersection with the same intersection.

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2004-01-03, 4:04 PM #42
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeC:
Well Flexor, I see 2 problems off the top of my head with your theory.

1. (this has already been mentioned) It only works if you use sphere or similar objects, It does not work with a cube.

2. While time may get smaller it does not "start turning back". While the size of the field reduces, you never see the same point again. Do not confuse the same size of intersection with the same intersection.

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1- I was only assuming that the entity was a sphere.

2- A very good point, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps then time would fall back following a series of events that never actually took place.

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2004-01-03, 4:13 PM #43
Oh.. well I meant Scare Tactics. *shrug*
Oh, and Nauree, what if you hit the speed of light? Some physisists (s?) believe that time would stop. So, if you went faster than light, wouldn't it make sense (using that logic) that time would go backwards?

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2004-01-03, 4:24 PM #44
I just saw the movie Paycheck.

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2004-01-03, 4:59 PM #45
So did my friends. They said it sucked.

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2004-01-03, 5:17 PM #46
Yah uh well Nauree, you may not be able to go backwards, but you're thinking too narrowly. I'm too tired to give thought to explain that. But uh Flexor, you're talking about entropy? Asimov's "The Last Question".

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2004-01-03, 5:22 PM #47
Can anyone create a perfect sphere?

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2004-01-03, 5:32 PM #48
Not with this planet.

Maybe in space, where there is no gravity. like melt metal blobbs and let them cool while they pull together and form a sphear.

Maybe...just maybe.

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2004-01-03, 6:45 PM #49
Actually, a lot of people believe that time exists as a point, not a line, so there'd be nothing to go back to.

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2004-01-03, 6:47 PM #50
Except another point.

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2004-01-03, 9:32 PM #51
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:

2- A very good point, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps then time would fall back following a series of events that never actually took place.

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So it will be almost like climbing a mountain, right? Only that when the top is reached, we climb down the other side. That would be tripped out - the entire course of history would change in a matter of seconds...
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2004-01-04, 5:17 AM #52
Cant create a perfect sphere, unless its a single atom i guess.

and what if time doesn't exist and is just another theory of man, what i'm getting at is that the only thing that exists is the "now" and time was just invented to keep track of crap.

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2004-01-04, 6:31 AM #53
Yeah.. paycheck sucked.. one of the worst movies Ive ever seen

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2004-01-04, 7:00 AM #54
Oh please, it was pretty good. You don't have to hate movies because Ben Affleck is in them!

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2004-01-04, 8:40 AM #55
::checks progress of thread::

Such an incredibly frivolous arguement, made more so by the fact that at least 95% of the people here either don't understand or just don't care.
2004-01-04, 9:19 AM #56
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by agin222:
::checks progress of thread::

Such an incredibly frivolous arguement, made more so by the fact that at least 95% of the people here either don't understand or just don't care.
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Are you part of the 5% that does understand what is going on? Do you have something relevant to say to this thread? If not, then I hand you a nice cup of STFU.


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2004-01-04, 9:33 AM #57
Your theory assumes that time exists in superior dimensions. And collision would assume that two entities exsist in a state of being able to collide as we see in our normal space-time not actually space and time itself. Also I guess this "collision" depend on the range of the inferior to the superior entity, but everything I know about space-time tells me that this is not possible. Anyone else have any ideas?

I think it is imposibble to understand space-time when currently in space time. Like if you are inside a building, you can't fully understand and know about the outside of the building as a whole unless you actually leave it.

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2004-01-04, 3:13 PM #58
Gandalf must be the only guy in the world with PMS. Sheesh.

And yes, I understand the theories here. I just think it's stupid as no one could ever benefit from this.
2004-01-04, 3:52 PM #59
Um.. No.

Anyway, Freyr, I'm not quite sure how well your building analogy fits. If you have the blueprints of a building, and you spend enough time understanding them, as well as exploring the building, you can learn more about it than just looking at the outside of the building. Or am I missing the point?

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2004-01-04, 4:02 PM #60
I always thought of time as the 4th dimension. If the 1st dimension is an infinite number of 0-dimensional points, and the second dimension is an infinite number of 1 dimensional lines, and the 3rd dimension is an infinite number of 2d planes, why can't the 4th dimension be an infinite number of 3 dimensional spaces? And then we happen to experience them in a secquence that we call time... i dunno, it's obviously flawed, but it's interesting to think about anyway.
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2004-01-04, 4:26 PM #61
I don't know too much on the subject, BobTheMasher, but isn't that what the, or one of accepted theories is?

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2004-01-04, 4:33 PM #62
Think about time for a second.

Is time just the same stuff being reorganized, and traveling in time would just be changing the organization of things to the way they were in a specific time period?

Is time actually the recreation of everything continuously, and there's actually a proverbial 'paper trail' to head back to?

The answer to the above is, "nobody knows."

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2004-01-04, 4:56 PM #63
I don't know, Emon. I kinda reasoned it out on my own. It's not complicated. (so i doubt it's accepted as right. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] )

But really, i might have heard that somewhere...
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2004-01-04, 5:19 PM #64
Yeah. Time is accepted as the 4th dimension.

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2004-01-04, 5:20 PM #65
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
So did my friends. They said it sucked.</font>


They were wrong. It was awesome.

Flexor, the problem with your theory is that if the four-dimensional equivalent of a sphere "intersected" with our three-dimensional space, all we would see would be a point expanding into a three-dimensional sphere, which after reaching its largest size would contract again. The four-dimensional shape (in your theory, time) would not itself expand or contract, only its three-dimensional manifestation, much as a sphere intersecting a plane doesn't actually expand or contract.

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2004-01-05, 3:03 AM #66
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
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Nauree- just because we do not yet have evidence of a way to do it doesn't mean there isn't a way to do it. There is still so much abut the world we don't know. And many of the theories we base these assumptions about our universe on is just theory,so what's to say that we can really even go 'fast-forward' in time. Atleast at a rate that even makes a difference (a few fractions of a second doesn't count).

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2004-01-05, 8:52 AM #67
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Anyway, Freyr, I'm not quite sure how well your building analogy fits. If you have the blueprints of a building, and you spend enough time understanding them, as well as exploring the building, you can learn more about it than just looking at the outside of the building. Or am I missing the point?</font>


It was an analogy. I said you couldn't understand the outside of the building unlesss you actually existed outside it. Your blueprints suggestion was a little strange but think of a box instead:

If you are inside the box how can you tell what color the box is on the outside if you can only see the insdie and are bound by the limits of the walls.

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2004-01-05, 10:45 AM #68
How do you know that what is going on now is actually backwards, and what originally happened was 'effect->cause', and we're actually living in a 'time' where time is shrinking? ANSWER ME THAT!

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2004-01-05, 10:54 AM #69
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">ANSWER ME THAT!</font>


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