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Anonymous Poll is Anonymous: Next Book out on 4/20, Will You Buy It? :)
2014-03-26, 9:00 AM #81
Originally posted by Koobie:
CM, do you mean the take less psychotropic substances "advice" I was given by the forum's resident alcoholic?
I'm getting a contact high just reading your torrent of incoherent "posts".
2014-03-26, 9:05 AM #82
Wish I could say the same.
幻術
2014-03-26, 9:12 AM #83
Originally posted by Koobie:
CM, do you mean the take less psychotropic substances "advice" I was given by the forum's resident alcoholic?


You mean the one that realized he had a problem and stopped drinking a long time ago?

Or better yet, are you suggesting that other alcoholics might not actually be the BEST people to tell you to stop drinking/etc? I guess alcoholics anonymous meetings are just a joke? Ha ha?
2014-03-26, 9:13 AM #84
Originally posted by Reid:
I know you said my writing was "****ing terrible", and all I can do is laugh because I rewrote exactly what you wrote only with proper grammar and cohesive wording. Maybe one day you will realize that piss-poor wording and grammar doesn't mean you're unique, it means you're writing poorly.
N.B. One of my critiques from the cross-over cluster****. Despite being a big enough fan of a particular grammar textbook to include it in his cover art, he wasn't a big enough fan to actually read or internalize it. The odds of him learning proper syntax from a legitimate source are remote.

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I've read short stories written by community college students that blew yours out of the water, yet I have yet to meet one that thought their stories were yet worth money. They have an appropriate humility for how talented they are at writing, which is something you haven't yet found.


ding ding ding ^^^ something everybody has been telling him for months, which he desperately needs to learn, but never will.
2014-03-26, 9:38 AM #85
Originally posted by Jon`C:
He's an east european who fancies himself a bohemian and scheduled his next book release on April 20th. What mind-altering substance do you think he abuses?

http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Bohemian

Is it for real though, does he think he is Bohemian?

Koobie needs to bite the bullet already
2014-03-26, 9:43 AM #86
CM, I barely drink. I prefer to etc.

Anyway like I said I'm a bit busy because got an acceptance for a story I'd submitted 85 days ago and forgot all about it, they liked it but asked to change a few things (not the syntax, and guess what, unlike you three schmucks, these are actual SF zine editors who review thousands of submissions and know what they're talking about), and have another commission to write ... Reid, I will tell you why your re-written sentences were terrible after I do my other writery stuff.

I'm not saying it's not helpful though, like I've said some of your comments seemed very helpful, but I don't have the time to read them (as I wasn't asking for a crit) because I don't have time to work on this particular story right now.

>>I've read short stories written by community college students that blew yours out of the water, yet I have yet to meet one that thought their stories were yet worth money. They have an appropriate humility for how talented they are at writing, which is something you haven't yet found.

Oh ye I just say that cuz my stories sell. I'm not talking about self-publishing here. So I know they are worth money.

Originally posted by Jon'C:
Despite being a big enough fan of a particular grammar textbook to include it in his cover art


Hear ye, Hear ye.

[http://i.minus.com/jDJkPVJ2AUYMN.jpg]

Available for FREE here: https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/401482
幻術
2014-03-26, 9:49 AM #87
A dear friend of mine plays in a band that has routinely been paid to play shows at bars for the last decade. This means they are a successful band, right?

ALSO: That type is horrendous.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 9:51 AM #88
Aggressive unpaid marketing on online forums will gain you a few dollars, sure, but not as many as you would by working for minimum wage at a convenience store
2014-03-26, 9:54 AM #89
Originally posted by Jon`C:
He's an east european who fancies himself a bohemian and scheduled his next book release on April 20th. What mind-altering substance do you think he abuses?


April 20 is Easter.

I ABUSE JESUS.

Duh.

Originally posted by Reid:
You criticize sci fi and claim it's worse than science fiction.


I didn't criticize anything. I said Asimov is hard SF and PKD is soft SF.

Star Wars is Sci-Fi. I like Star Wars too.

Originally posted by Reid:
I know you've had your works edited, but that's besides the point. I believe it was one of Nietzsche's later works that he wrote in a frenzied state in a matter of days?


What, dude? Anyway, I've never read Nietzsche because I'm not as educated as Jon'C. :) I might one day, but I've other priorities.
幻術
2014-03-26, 9:55 AM #90
Oh, good point, Reid. I forgot to mention that my friend who has been consistently paid to be a musician for the last decade has also worked full time at various call centers for that entire time.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 9:55 AM #91
Originally posted by Antony:
A dear friend of mine plays in a band that has routinely been paid to play shows at bars for the last decade. This means they are a successful band, right?

ALSO: That type is horrendous.


No, but it probably means that he's not utter ****. Oh yeah? I quite like the font, actually.
幻術
2014-03-26, 9:56 AM #92
Originally posted by Reid:
Aggressive unpaid marketing on online forums will gain you a few dollars, sure, but not as many as you would by working for minimum wage at a convenience store


Selling stories to magazines has **** all to do with marketing ...
幻術
2014-03-26, 9:57 AM #93
Originally posted by Koobie:
What, dude? Anyway, I've never read Nietzsche because I'm not as educated as Jon'C. :) I might one day, but I've other priorities.

Nietzsche is one of the most widely studied and recognized philosophers who wrote beautifully, and he didn't have an editor criticize his works. He didn't even edit much of his later works, they were drafts.
2014-03-26, 9:58 AM #94
Being paid to do something is not the mark of being good at doing it. There are a lot of people who are absolutely terrible at what they do and still get paid to do it.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 10:06 AM #95
So what is the mark of being good at something?

Jon'C, Antony and Reid from forums.massassi.net liking my stories?

Because if that's so, I'm in biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig trouble. :)
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:13 AM #96
Originally posted by Koobie:
So what is the mark of being good at something?
Self-reflection.
2014-03-26, 10:14 AM #97
I can assure you that having your story purchased by some bush-league zine is not the mark of success or talent.

Did you ever consider that all of the hostility toward you stems from your own obstinance? I'm also going to go ahead and put it out there: If your behavior doesn't stem from a serious substance abuse problem, then you likely need a significant amount of therapy.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 10:17 AM #98
Originally posted by Jon`C:
Self-reflection.


No wonder I don't like you. You're a narcissist.
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:18 AM #99
Self awareness is not the same thing as self obsession. There's a terrific bit of irony on display here.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 10:27 AM #100
>>Did you ever consider that all of the hostility toward you stems from your own obstinance?

obstinance
the trait of being hard to influence or control

Maybe? But if you don't like me because I'm hard to influence or control, is it my problem, or yours?
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:27 AM #101
Originally posted by Koobie:
No wonder I don't like you. You're a narcissist.
There's an often-cited hierarchy of skill acquisition, related to the experimentally-observed Dunning-Kruger effect. It goes something like this:


  1. Unconscious incompetence: unskilled, and with such low skill that they are not even aware of how bad they are.
  2. Conscious incompetence: unskilled, but genuinely aware of their need for improvement.
  3. Conscious competence: skilled, but applying their skill requires great deliberation. Characterized by works which are overwrought.
  4. Unconscious competence: skilled, and applying their skill requires no conscious thought toward the art.
  5. Consciousness of unconscious competence: skilled and can apply their art without concentration, but also self-reflective and analytical.

True mastery of an art isn't simply the ability to practice effortlessly. It is the conscious awareness of the actions you take subconsciously; the ability to reason about your art, and explain your technique to others in exacting detail.

Sometimes I trick myself into thinking you're at level 3, because you've obviously overworked a lot of the crap you post. Mostly though your obvious lack of skill and overbearing arrogance about it makes me think you're at level 1.
2014-03-26, 10:30 AM #102
Originally posted by Koobie:
Maybe? But if you don't like me because I'm hard to influence or control, is it my problem, or yours?


Christ, I give up.
>>untie shoes
2014-03-26, 10:33 AM #103
>>True mastery of an art isn't simply the ability to practice effortlessly. It is the conscious awareness of the actions you take subconsciously; the ability to reason about your art, and explain your technique to others in exacting detail.

We simply adhere to different philosophies. I was just listening to Alan Watts the other day, and he said this:

"An artist is a person who performs certain things skillfully but doesn't really know how he does it. You learn art by methods that you don't know how you learn. You can't describe it because your brain is capable of absorbing all kinds of information that is much too subtle to be translated into words."

I also never claimed to be a MASTER WRITER (well, only in jest, and only ITT).
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:37 AM #104
Originally posted by Koobie:
We simply adhere to different philosophies. I was just listening to Alan Watts the other day, and he said this:

"An artist is a person who performs certain things skillfully but doesn't really know how he does it. You learn art by methods that you don't know how you learn. You can't describe it because your brain is capable of absorbing all kinds of information that is much too subtle to be translated into words."


Alan Watts is wrong, because:

1.) A craftsman who lacks the words to explain something invents a new word.

2.) The simple act of having a philosophical meta-theory about your craft is literally what I'm talking about.

By the way, since you missed this fact: yeah, no, you don't adhere to a philosophy. You aren't there yet. You quote sound bytes from smarter people. That's not having a philosophy, that's citing one.
2014-03-26, 10:44 AM #105
I didn't say I adhere to Alan Watt's philosophy.

I said we adhere to different philosophies and cited a sound bit from Alan Watts I happened to agree with. :)
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:45 AM #106
Originally posted by Koobie:
I didn't say I adhere to Alan Watt's philosophy.

I said we adhere to different philosophies and quoted a sound bit from Alan Watts I happened to agree with. :)


"Uh oh, I look like a retard! I'd better quickly cover it up with an unfalsifiable statement and limp-wristed evasiveness! Whew, that was close"
2014-03-26, 10:46 AM #107
>>Sometimes I trick myself into thinking you're at level 3, because you've obviously overworked a lot of the crap you post.

Not really overworked. I just respond to the bs stream from Massassi armchair experts, and get told I'm the one who's overworked, heh. ;)

Peace & love. :D

PS. I will address Reid's crits some time later out of respect for FGR, who is the only person who'd commented / asked a question who I know for a fact based on empiric evidence has what it takes to see things through to the end ...

PPS. Also, EAH_TRISCUIT as well because every time he'd promised somebody a game, he gave it ... ;) But I don't think he cares much about the Massassi bs, just re: empiric evidence. :D
幻術
2014-03-26, 10:46 AM #108
Originally posted by Koobie:
So what is the mark of being good at something?

Certainly not being published in an unnamed magazine in 2013/2014. Do you realize that the amount of short stories being written is probably a function of time and is increasing exponentially? If you were published in a magazine fifty years ago then you would have a stronger case. There are plenty of magazines and other publications which have no qualms about publishing poor-quality work as long as that work is unique and has had at least some editing and effort placed into it.

Originally posted by Koobie:
We simply adhere to different philosophies.

I'm sure you couldn't even name a philosophy that pertains to art, except "rejectionism", which I made up to describe the philosophy where you reject criticism outright. It's a foolproof plan. When you stick your head in the sand only you exist.
2014-03-26, 10:49 AM #109
Originally posted by Koobie:
>>Sometimes I trick myself into thinking you're at level 3, because you've obviously overworked a lot of the crap you post.

Not really overworked. I just respond to the bs stream from Massassi armchair experts, and get told I'm the one who's overworked, heh. ;)

Peace & love. :D

I'm not claiming expertise and authority myself, but I have taken a few creative writing courses and have interacted with talented writers. You seem to want to remain in the cave forever, staring at pretty shadows and living on your imagination. I do have to commend your ability to avoid real introspection at any cost
2014-03-26, 10:56 AM #110
Originally posted by Koobie:
Not really overworked. I just respond to the bs stream from Massassi armchair experts, and get told I'm the one who's overworked, heh. ;)
Right, out of the thousands of ways to call someone a drunkard you settled on "half a hundred", because strangled alliteration just flows naturally out of a skilled pen.

Quote:
PS. I will address Reid's crits later out of respect for FGR, who is the only person who'd commented who I know actually has what it takes to see things through to the end ...
I assume you're including yourself in that list of suspected failures, Mr. gets too bored and stoned to finish anything properly.

You're like a painter who hangs a phthalo blue gradient on the wall and calls it a masterwork landscape.
2014-03-26, 11:02 AM #111
Well ok the middle half of my story has the pacing of a synopsis, and then it just peters out for no reason, but at least I published it.

real artists ship :smug:
2014-03-26, 11:10 AM #112
>>Certainly not being published in an unnamed magazine in 2013/2014.

Nah, I was already published in 2009 in a magazine which also published at least two writers who went on to win Nebula awards ... but that's not the point! I personally didn't even like that story of mine so much; I'm not defending myself people, I'm just trying to get the facts straight ... but in reality, I'm arguing with a narcissist, an alcoholic (who gave up), and somebody who'd interacted with a few talented writers. Talk about self-reflection.

I'll post re: the crit when I have time. Bye for now. :)
幻術
2014-03-26, 11:13 AM #113
Quote:
Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta.
She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita.
Did she have a precursor? She did, indeed she did. In point of fact, there might have been no Lolita at all had I not loved, one summer, a certain initial child-girl. In a princedom by the sea. Oh when? About as many years before Lolita was born as my age was that summer. You can always count on a murderer for a fancy prose style.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, envied. Look at this tangle of thorns.


Koobie, pray tell, what do you think of this introduction?
2014-03-26, 11:14 AM #114
Originally posted by Koobie:
I'm arguing with a narcissist, an alcoholic (who gave up), and somebody who'd interacted with a few talented writers.

Making fun of a recovering alcoholic for getting his life together. Classy.


You're the absolute last person on this forum who should be mocking anybody for: 1.) self-love, 2.) substance abuse, 3.) casually interacting with talented people as their only claim to success.
2014-03-26, 11:17 AM #115
My page filler was once in the same magazine as an award-winner!!


like an extra bragging about their bacon number.
2014-03-26, 11:19 AM #116
Originally posted by Jon`C:
My page filler was once in the same magazine as an award-winner!!


like an extra bragging about their bacon number.


I think extras get paid more than Koobie, Jon`C.
2014-03-26, 11:21 AM #117
Originally posted by Cool Matty:
I think extras get paid more than Koobie, Jon`C.


Could probably get paid by the line and get paid more.
2014-03-26, 11:22 AM #118
Originally posted by Reid:
Koobie, pray tell, what do you think of this introduction?


I think some Russian dude for whom English was a second language wrote it. :D
幻術
2014-03-26, 11:25 AM #119
Originally posted by Koobie:
I think some Russian dude for who English was a second language wrote it. :D

It's whom when it's the object of the sentence. Yes, Nabokov wrote it, and I want you to do an analysis of it.
2014-03-26, 11:28 AM #120
Yeah, well, guess you'll just have to want harder won't you?
幻術
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