BINGO.

A recent example of this same thing that comes to my mind is the Matrix. Great first movie. Cult hit. Scored far better than anyone thought. Reloaded and Revolutions each had about TWICE the budget the Matrix had. Look where it got them. They got pulled into their fame and made movies that, in my opinion, just got them more money. The plots were bad, far worse than the Matrix. The effects, namely Bullet Time, were overused. I could continue.

This is NOT Lucas' vision. This is him making money and lining his pockets. The vision was enclosed within the first three. You DO NOT edit the original to fit in with the new. You edit the new to fit in with the original. If what he's doing is truly what his vision was, then I can think of many steps he could have taken in the 70s and 80s to get at least part way there.

I believe I said it in my other post, the Special Editions were justified. The things that were added were things that were cut. Things that ended up on the editing room floor. And it included LITTLE tidbits that added to the expirence. The ASP-7 in ANH, the expanded trip of the Falcon through Bespin to the landing pad, the extended celebration after the destruction of the Second Death Star. LITTLE things.

For me, if those rumored changes go through, it's like defacing something sacred. What if the guys who wrote the Bible came along and created a longer prequel and then decided to rewrite the rest of the Bible to so the prequel would fit. Is that someone fulfilling their "original vision"? I think not.

I'll end now.

As many other people have stated, this is probably a total load of bull**** and will never happen. I sincerely hope that is true. If it isn't, I know a set of DVDs I am boycotting and telling everyone I know not to buy.

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

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Regardless, Lucas can and will do whatever the hell he wants

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Maybe they'd have the good sense to rid us of the horror that was EP.I and EP.II and give us better. I personally would love to see Episodes 7, 8, and 9 be the Thrawn trilogy. Those would make a good end to the saga.

Alas... It'll probably never happen...

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

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That's nice, glad you can read all our minds and hence be able right off our opinions as a consequence. Fanboys generally have this ability that us mere mortals lack.

Or maybe we just don't like the films as films themselves......?



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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian & A Very Massassian Xmas
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

If GL was to make the entire star wars series today, in this day and age, it wouldbe just as it is.

When you get new toys, you gotta play with them, he did that and he thought it would help the movies out.

I think some of the changes could help the movies, but replacing the actors with actors from the new trilogy, thats just dumb.

But serious, think about it, if GL made ANH, ESB and ROtJ today, they would be using the latest special effects and graphics, the reason they didn't way back when is they were expensive and hard to do, you had to have inovative ways to do things, and they did, like the mini-documntries on the SE trilogy.

and if the movies were made today, I bet you there'd still be a huge fan base formed around it, it happens folks, as new technology and easier/cheaper ways to make things are desinged, they are used.

I personaly didn't mind alot of TPM, it had some cool scenes in it, the battle for the droind control ship was nice, but anikin destrying it by accidnely firing a missle was dumb, and so one, but there were redeming quailities, and AOtC was good aswell for the simple fact that we see the beginning of the empire, the coruption that palpatine caused, the fall of the Jedi and the large jedi battle in the arena. I found AOtC to bee kinda suiting at the end and it worked, i would never have thought palpatine took control because he tricked the assembly into giving him dictaor like powers... it was smooth and very palpatine like.

I agree that the thrawn trilogy would be a kick *** ending of the series... what better ending for the near distruction of the new republic... and then they'd be making it all canon!

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I think that long list that keeps flying around of the 'ultimate edition' is a bunch of BS.

So far I have enjoyed every Star Wars movie. Yes the prequels have made me groan (ep1) and cringe (sand, ep2) at times, but I still liked them.

I also liked the Matrix trilogy. I dont get everyone ripping the "bad plot". What makes a "great plot"? I think everyone rips them because they are sequels, and if you just put all 3 Matrix movies together into a 6 hour movie, and showed it to someone who hasnt seen it before, they would love the whole thing (assuming they are like most massassians who loved the first movie), because there wasnt a 4 year waiting period for their expectations to grow to impossible levels.

There is one movie that I do feel wasnt so great, called Terminator 3, for a few reasons.

1) They didnt bring back the actor who originally played John Connor.

2) They didnt bring back Sarah Connor at all. They didnt even show that John still had the picture of his mom from the first movie.

3) The style of the movie wasnt even consistent with the first 2. They had John Connor narrating in it. No one narrated in the first 2

4) They basically turned Arnold into a comic relief character ("talk to the hand"??)

Thats all I have to rant about for now.

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"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

I have to doubt Lucas'd do all that to the trilogy. Even he'd have to have some amount of respect for his own work.

And I thought it was explained, possibly by GL himself, that the stormtroopers were not clones. Otherwise there would be no academy and non-identical officers. Unless the academy trains officers, and then to lead what? The perfect soldier? There must be a reason cloning is not present in the trilogy at all, and the war mentioned only once.

My main problem with CGI:
the ships.

The old starfighters looked great, I think, because they were built out of canibalized model parts. They looked rugged, unique, and cool.
The new ones are far too streamlined, and look stereotypically futuristic. Way too overdone.

re T3:
Sarah was missing because the original actress died recently, of leukemia just like Connor.
and sarah did narrate, not as much as John does in T3, but there.
Comic relief was annoying, but what can you do.
At least they cut out that Sgt. Candy scene. Informative at times, but too comic, in the wrong place and time, and wrong movie.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

[This message has been edited by Bounty Hunter 4 hire (edited January 07, 2004).]

1.) I din't mind so much, but that's me. There are some people who felt strongly the other way, but that's fine.

2.) Linda Hamilton didn't want to do T3 if I recall, so they can have Sarah Connor in the movie if the actress who plays her says no.

3.) Didn't mind the narration. At some point, John Connor has to start to become the great leader that he's supposed to be.

4.) They started that in T2 a little bit. I found most of the one liners funny

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

er, that's news to me....and according to IMDB she's still alive and kicking.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian & A Very Massassian Xmas
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

Really?...I thought I read in Time or Newsweek that Hamilton died in an artical about the then upcoming T3. Sorry for the bad info.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

Personally I don't want it to happen. No one can replace Mark Hamill as Luke, Harrison Ford as Han, etc.



Yeah I agree, I also hope that in Episode III there will be a huge starfighter battle that rivals the Battle of Endor or the Battle of Yavin. I hated Episode 1's starfighter battle primary because of little Anakin's "use of the force".

What about Maark Hamill?

I'm curious as to why we had a span of 16 years from Episode VI to Episode I. Was GL incredibly bored one day and thought, "I'm bored. I think I'll make Episode I. Been putting it off." I mean the 80s and 90s should have been the Star Wars decades.

But oh well.

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Changing boba's voice would be pointless. He has a chip tht makes his voice different from what it really is, so it can't resemble temerua morrison, because bobba specifically make that voice changer so people didnt know who he was. And now with the stormtroopers being him, also, probably because he didnt want to have everyone know he is the same flesh and blood (kinda) as the stormies.

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There are two asses in Massassi... and I'm one of them.
The Matrix Unplugged|The Valley of the Jedi Tower|Smaug's Lair

Yeah, you haven't hear- Oh right. Aussie land banned them quietly. They said, "They were far too dangerous for the common good."

I mean, WTF? They only ran on a nucler power generator..

Gandalf- I think I read somewhere that he waited because he couldn't do what he wanted to do with it, technology wise. Corscaunt (s?), for example, would have been IMPOSSIBLE in the 80's.

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited January 07, 2004).]

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No. It would not have been impossible.

I direct you to page 11 of "The Art of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones".



Better than Blade Runner? Look at Los Angeles in Blade Runner and then tell me he couldn't do that in the 80's again. Blade Runner was 1982 for those that don't know. In my opinion, you just don't get much better than Blade Runner. And frankly, I don't think the Coruscant seen in EP.II was anywhere near Blade Runner. The concept art in the book I mentioned looks more like Blade Runner, and a hellova lot cooler (refering to Coruscant, not Blade Runner), than what ended up on film.

Cloud brought up the exact reason why the Thrawn trilogy will probably never hit the silver screen. Kinda a shame too... Oh well.

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

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[This message has been edited by phoenix_9286 (edited January 07, 2004).]

It would also be pointless because it is just a freaking movie and we all know that the characters are played by different actors.

Phoenix- I concede my point. I had completely forgotten about what they did in Blade Runner.

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

That Blade Runner stuff is true, but you also have to remember that it ended up way over budget and with Ridley Scott being fired.

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Shut up. I'm GOING to do this whether you like it or not.

I wasn't sure if I should mention how much it must have costed..

I didn't really mean impossible impossible. I just meant it would have costed him an arm, a leg, and probably a few copies of the Holiday Special.

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

[This message has been edited by happydud (edited January 07, 2004).]

George Lucas never had a vision. He's just a bloke that made a succesful sci-fi movie that went on to become a series. He saw an opportunity to cash-in on the story of Anakin Skywalker, and he took it, making up some rubbish that he had it planned all along. And now he's cashing in again, re-editing the films for the second time, using his "vision" excuse. He'll probably do it again twenty years from now.

George Lucas: great business man, crappy film-maker.


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Anthony Piggott - Creator of all things "oaM"
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You're wrong! John Connor only had brief narration at the beginning and end, not through the whole thing. Similarly, Sarah Connor narrates the beginning and end of "Terminator 2". "The Terminator" had a very brief text narration at the start of the film, but I guess that doesn't count.



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Anthony Piggott - Creator of all things "oaM"
(Except "LoaM")

I just watched T2 last night and Sarah did narrate. But still, T3 just didn't feel like it followed the first 2. Maybe its because almost the whole movie took place in daylight, where the other 2 were mostly "night movies".

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"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

True, but look how it ended up. It's a movie that 30 years from now, what it's REALY out of date, people will STILL be talking about it. There are times when going over budget can be well worth it.

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Frogblast the Vent Core!

--End of Line--

Cauterize the wound, that is such a load of crap. It's not that the saber cauterizes the wound, it's that lucas wanted to maintain a pg rating for the new movies, and back then a little blood didnt matter for pg.

That's also why the Jedi fight minions of driods in Ep. 1 & 2

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.