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Photo of Saddam's capture alegedly released. Real or fake?
2004-01-08, 2:11 PM #1
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=733336

[http://images.news.com.au/thedailytelegraph/733410_saddam.jpg]

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">THIS appears to be the moment Saddam Hussein was dragged from his hole and exposed to the world – but it is a snapshot the US military did not want the world to see.


The photograph, apparently taken in the seconds after Saddam's capture near Tikrit last month, appeared for the first time yesterday on a military-related website.

The image shows a US soldier posing for the camera as he pins the bearded dictator's body and face to the dirt.


A clearly-distressed Saddam lies on his stomach as members of the US 4th Infantry Division surround him.


US military officials refused to confirm if the photograph was genuine.


The photo was published on the US website Military.com after it was supplied to one of the site's contributors, former journalist John Weisman.


"This photograph of Saddam Hussein in the moment of his capture was e-mailed to me by a friend in special forces who was damn proud of what his former colleagues in Iraq had accomplished when they pulled the dictator out of his hole," Mr Weisman said. "I thought the photo deserved wide dissemination."


Mr Weisman said he had refused military requests to remove the photograph from the site. The officials had claimed it was a security risk.


"While the soldiers in the field may have loved the idea of showing Saddam au naturel, not everyone felt that way," Mr Weisman wrote on the website.


"In fact, Military.com received a call from an official asking them to remove the photo for national security reasons.


"To me, this official was being myopic and his perception has not been echoed by the guys in the trenches, who obviously know a great picture when they see one.


"I'd like to see this photograph posted in every public building in the US so Americans can be reminded to thank the American soldiers who put their lives on the line every day to keep this nation safe and free."


Military.com spokesperson Anne Dwane insisted the picture was genuine.


"Much of our material comes in anonymously and, given our military membership, we have no reason to doubt it,' Ms Dwane said. "It certainly looks like Saddam."


If the authenticity of the picture is proved, it would have been taken by a member of the 600-strong force that captured Saddam at a farmhouse near Tikrit.


Although official army photographers were on hand to record the moment, the picture may have been snapped by a soldier, many of whom were known to carry small cameras while on patrol.</font>


Who thinks its real, who thinks its fake?

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2004-01-08, 2:16 PM #2
its a fakey


oooooo!

you captured an old man with a pistol.
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2004-01-08, 2:17 PM #3
I have no clue if it's real or fake, but I can see why it would be a security risk. Remember when the film of Saddam being examined after capture was all over the news, and some people complained the US was violating the Geneva convention by making him a public spectacle?
2004-01-08, 2:22 PM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">The image shows a US soldier posing for the camera as he pins the bearded dictator's body and face to the dirt.</font>


If it is real it's kinda ****ed up. If I'm reading and seeing it right, it sounds like they're using a little unnecesary force. I thought we were better than that. Capture the guy then kick him around some just to let some anger out or something. :/

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2004-01-08, 2:31 PM #5
Well how would you treat him them?

U.S Soldier: "Hi, can you please come out of your hole?"

Saddam: "No."

U.S Soldier: "Ahhh... Please? I'll be your friend!"

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2004-01-08, 2:35 PM #6
I heard he actually spit on one of the soldiers bringing him out, and the soldier promptly turned and nailed him with the butt of his rifle. Don't know how true that is, though.

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2004-01-08, 2:40 PM #7
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
I heard he actually spit on one of the soldiers bringing him out, and the soldier promptly turned and nailed him with the butt of his rifle. Don't know how true that is, though.

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A friend of mine told me the same thing.
2004-01-08, 2:45 PM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dylan:
Remember when the film of Saddam being examined after capture was all over the news, and some people complained the US was violating the Geneva convention by making him a public spectacle?</font>


Arrg. That's what keeps angering me. I'm almost sure it's in clear violation of the Geneva Convention, the whole showing prisoners of war bit. But does anyone care? Noooooo.
Reporter 1: We captured Saddam! Haha, the dirty *******, here's video footage of him being picked apart by doctors." <shows footage>
Reporter 2: "You know, it kinda seems like this is in violation of the Geneva Con-"
Reporter 1: "What do you mean?? We captured him, a terrorist leader! Here's more footage!"
Reporter 2: "But-"
Reporter 1: "What are you, unpatriotic or something? We finally got this guy!"

That's basicly what all saw on the news that day.

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2004-01-08, 2:45 PM #9
Looks pretty real to me.. but than again, I am Monoxide you know. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-01-08, 2:50 PM #10
Yeah, but as far as violations of the geneva convention go, you gotta admit thats pretty far down the list of the ones that we should be the most concerned about.

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2004-01-08, 2:56 PM #11
I think in this case its way better for us to release footage of him or no one would believe that we had him. Seriously:

US:We got Saddam but we aren't going to show you any pictures.. Um.. because.. of.. Oh yeah! The Geneva convention!

Rest of the world: What the heck?
2004-01-08, 3:03 PM #12
/me finds hobo that looks like saddam
/me dresses 'saddam' up
/me pins 'saddam' to ground while having friend take picture
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2004-01-08, 3:19 PM #13
Wasn't his beard darker when they captured him? That's gotta be fake...
2004-01-08, 3:43 PM #14
I think it's real.
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2004-01-08, 3:46 PM #15
The white splotches could bee dirt and dust or something.

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2004-01-08, 4:11 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nytro:
I think in this case its way better for us to release footage of him or no one would believe that we had him. Seriously:

US:We got Saddam but we aren't going to show you any pictures.. Um.. because.. of.. Oh yeah! The Geneva convention!

Rest of the world: What the heck?
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No, we have him. I know for a fact that we do.

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2004-01-08, 4:13 PM #17
The pic's a little small to really tell if it's real or fake, I think.

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2004-01-08, 4:58 PM #18
Of course it is real and I don't see anything wrong or innappropriate in the picture. Also, I see nothing wrong with footage of prisoner being shown to report the facts. There's a huge difference between showing the facts and the public and filmed beheading of American soldiers that were caught by Iraqis early in the war.

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2004-01-08, 5:14 PM #19
Looks fake.

With all these people crying about the Geneva Convention: where were these people when our forces were publicly humiliated and tortured in Vietnam and Korea, ever heard of the Hanoi Hilton? What about Somalia, where US Soldiers' bodies were dragged through the streets?

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2004-01-08, 5:24 PM #20
I seem to have missed the part where this even matters. Saddam's captured, and that's that.
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2004-01-08, 6:23 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Also, I see nothing wrong with footage of prisoner being shown to report the facts.</font>
That's what the Saddam video we kept seeing was. However, I would think that this leans more toward public humiliation, which is why (real or not) the military wants to deny it or keep it under wraps.
2004-01-08, 6:26 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">With all these people crying about the Geneva Convention: where were these people when our forces were publicly humiliated and tortured in Vietnam and Korea, ever heard of the Hanoi Hilton? What about Somalia, where US Soldiers' bodies were dragged through the streets?</font>


So that justifies our hypocrisy?

2004-01-08, 6:30 PM #23
No lat's just talking about the places we really have no business being.
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2004-01-08, 6:30 PM #24
He looks like Santa to me...

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2004-01-08, 6:45 PM #25
Down with the US!! They're showing pictures of a ruthless, horrible monster being treated like a prisoner! They are the most evil force on the planet! Honestly, if it upsets you that much that a monster like Saddam has to deal with a little bit of public humiliation, I weep for the world.

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2004-01-08, 7:03 PM #26
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Arrg. That's what keeps angering me. I'm almost sure it's in clear violation of the Geneva Convention, the whole showing prisoners of war bit. But does anyone care? Noooooo.</font>

Well, the Geneva Convention applies to prisoners of war. Remember, the "war" in Iraq is over...see, that means the US can do what ever they want.

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2004-01-08, 7:19 PM #27
Looks real. Is that blood in his mouth?

Wookie: Filmed beheading of American soldiers. Might want to prove it, since I can't find a single reference to any such event. Anywhere.
2004-01-08, 9:12 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by happydud:
The white splotches could bee dirt and dust or something.

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2004-01-09, 1:18 AM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ictus:
Looks real. Is that blood in his mouth?

Wookie: Filmed beheading of American soldiers. Might want to prove it, since I can't find a single reference to any such event. Anywhere.
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Wasn't all over the news? Or something...


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2004-01-09, 1:36 AM #30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ictus:
Looks real. Is that blood in his mouth?

Wookie: Filmed beheading of American soldiers. Might want to prove it, since I can't find a single reference to any such event. Anywhere.
</font>


I didn't find anything specifically about beheading but I did find something from which Wookie06 may have gotten mixed up? I'm not sure. I'm in a rush and can't be bothered to search much.

Here it is:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31690

In any case, it support's Wookie06's point.

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2004-01-09, 1:48 AM #31
Er.... guys, wasn't Saddam found with a loaded gun in his spider-hole? Regardless of the size of the squad that found him, a gun will still kill someone. Of course they'll restrain him and then they'll check him for anything else. It's difficult for him to try anything if he stuck face down on the ground with his arms behind his back. It's not about humiliation its routine procedure, the police will do it to an armed criminal, so why shouldn't troops do it to Saddam with a gun?
Also, at the time, they didn't know if he had any sort of radio-controlled switch on him. If he'd had something that would enable him to activate a bunch of explosives around where he was hiding, we wouldn't have a healthy living Saddam on TV, we'd have the bits and pieces of one ex-dictator and a bunch of US troops scattered all over the floor.

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2004-01-09, 2:01 AM #32
That can't be real look that guy doesn't even have a face! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]
2004-01-09, 2:12 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MBeggar:
No, we have him. I know for a fact that we do.

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I wasn't disputing that. I was trying to point out in a satirical maner what every ones reaction would be to the United States not releasing video or pictures of Saddam.
2004-01-09, 2:52 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by clan ruthervain:
you captured an old man with a pistol.
The US army ROCKS!!!!
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Meh, its a damn good propaganda tool, regardless of Hussain having any true power or not.

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2004-01-09, 6:32 AM #35
The fact is that when I got here (Iraq - about four to five months into the war) I was told of the video. I had already heard references to the incident. I was told that if I wanted the video I could probably get one of the Iraqi locals who work in our compounds to get me a copy. The only possible motivation to do so would be to have yet one more piece of evidence of the type of people we are dealing with here however I never pursued it because 1) I would consider any ammount of money (probably $2) blood money and 2) The sight of our soldiers being treated that way is not something I really want to see right now. I'm guessing that some searching on a file sharing program might turn up some results. I may look myself sometime after I get home next month. I'll admit that I can't prove the existence of the video or even that it happened. I'll also admit that no one here has any reason to believe this based on second/third hand information but, I will ask, does this sound like something that could have happenned?

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2004-01-09, 9:41 AM #36
If the Iraqis beheaded the few POWs they took, it would have been all over the news. It's just not plausible.
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2004-01-09, 9:43 AM #37
I don't know actually, I'd say it's fake, but then again... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/confused.gif]

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2004-01-09, 10:08 AM #38
If you don't like the way things are being done, I think you might find some people who care... in France.

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2004-01-09, 12:48 PM #39
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they found the guy, they're happy, wouldn't you want something to show the buddies back home? how do you know that the guys didn't ask him to go into that postion for the shot? EH? EH?

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2004-01-09, 1:02 PM #40
Looks real enough to me.

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