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Whats wrong with todays legos
2004-01-09, 4:01 PM #1
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinvestor/techearnings/2004-01-09-lego-suffering_x.htm


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Lego, expecting worst loss in its history, fires two executives, ponders layoffs
By Jan M. Olsen, Associated Press
COPENHAGEN, Denmark — Danish toy maker Lego said Thursday it was expecting a $237.6 million pretax loss, the worst in the privately held company's 72-year history.
The company, whose colored plastic building blocks have been a favorite children's toy for decades, fired executive vice president and chief operating officer Poul Plougmann over failed marketing strategies. Lego also dismissed Francesco Ciccolella, who was responsible for corporate development.

Additionally, the company said it would possibly lay off some of its 8,000 workers worldwide. Lego has several retail outlets in the United States and a theme park in California, but no U.S. production facilities. Its North American headquarters are in Enfield, Conn. It was not known if the reductions would affect the company's U.S. staff.

Kjeld Kirk Kristiansen, chief executive and grandson of the company's founder, said Lego's push to develop new products did not generate the results it wanted.

Last year was "very, very bad," he said.

Since it reported its first loss of $47.8 million in 1998, Lego has been hit hard by increasing competition from the makers of electronic toys.

Under Plougmann, the company reacted by expanding its electronic offerings, including making high-profile deals to use characters from Disney, the Star Wars films and Harry Potter books in its toys.

It also developed popular CD-ROM games and its lauded Mindstorms series, high-tech robots that are made of building blocks but can be controlled by personal computers.

As a result, sales rose but profits stagnated because of the higher cost of producing the new products.

The company now plans to stop making the electronics and movie tie-in products and return to its core mission: producing plastic building blocks for children.

"We would rather be in control of our own products, the things that we can decide," Kirk Kristiansen said. "We want to go back to our core products, and that is a key part of our future strategy."

Figures for 2003 were not released, but in 2002, Lego posted a 7% increase in sales, to $1.9 billion and a 1% gain in its net profit to $72.5 million. Until 1997, Lego did not release its financial results.

Lego will also make "necessary organizational adjustments" among its employees in nearly 30 countries. It gave no details but said an announcement would be made in a couple of months.

Founded in 1932, Lego's name was invented by combing the first two letters of the Danish words "Leg godt" (play well) without knowing that that the word in Latin means "I assemble."
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I'm glad to see they are finally seeing the light. Star Wars and Harry Potter LEGOs could never hope to compare with the Space, Castle, and Pirate Legos of old. The best thing about the 90's era of legos was that no one told you how to play with them. No one told you who the good guys and bad guys were, no one told you had to build what was shown on the box. When you got tired of one storyline, you went and invented another one. As a kid, my space legos went through so many different factions, so many alliances and broken treaties, that the real world would be hard pressed to keep up with the amount of Political activity I invented. My sets were taken apart nearly every week and new sets were constructed, only to have the original sets put back together the week afterwards.

With the movie tie ins for Star Wars and Harry Potter, that just doesnt happen. It just doenst occur to kids that "hey, maybe I dont have to play with these in way that mimics exactly what I saw in the movie. Maybe I dont have to build what I see on the box." When kids get tired with playing with their Star Wars legos, its inconceivable that maybe they could pretend Luke Skywalker was the bad guy and Darth Vader was the good guy. It's inconcievable that maybe Han Solo could be a Jedi with a lightsaber. Its inconcievable that a Star Wars world could exist without the ships and locations they're used to. They've been bombarded with so many images in the media of how star wars works that they wouldn't dare think of coming up with something different. So when the kids get tired of the traditional storyline, the legos sit used on their shelves and in their bins gathering dust. The idea of getting new legos is quickly pushed out by other toys they get their hands on. Creativity is what legos used to be all about, and the Star Wars and HP sets stifled it a lot more than they encouraged it. No wonder LEGO lost 230 million dollars last year.

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2004-01-09, 4:02 PM #2
Instead of reading all of that, I'm just going to say this: The problem with todays legos is that they're not little rectangles with little dots on top anymore.

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2004-01-09, 4:05 PM #3
I was never that fussed about normal lego, but I used to LOVE lego technic. Nothing beats following an instruction manual, and watching a working machine come together infront of your eyes!

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2004-01-09, 4:09 PM #4
GoY... that's like... exactly what normal legos were, too. Except the little people didn't have knees and elbows. And they didn't take batteries. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-01-09, 4:11 PM #5
I miss Blacktron.
2004-01-09, 4:13 PM #6
You wanna know what's wrong with legos today?

They keep trying to come up with 'specialized peices' that are only good for that specific model, and nobody ever keeps the original model, they break it down for scrap to make their own creations.

Those 'new' pieces only get in the way. Other than that, not much.

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2004-01-09, 4:14 PM #7
Legos were the only toys I ever played with. And I never really tried to build anything featured in the sets, I just got a bunch of sets, mixed all the parts together and built my own stuff from scratch.

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2004-01-09, 4:16 PM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by agin222:
I miss Blacktron.</font>


Blacktron <3
And what was the other one that came out a little later? The little guys with red and blue space suits... they were pretty cool too. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-01-09, 4:16 PM #9
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by agin222:
I miss Blacktron.</font>


Blacktron pwned. And yes Checksum that's another good point... The new specialized pieces really suck, they make it so hard to come up with your own creations.

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2004-01-09, 4:16 PM #10
correction, its not really the same. I loved legos, the creativy is definitly the greatest part. the only Star wars models i got were the tie fighter the Y-wing, and that was only for the sake of the models. I had a ton of other legos for whatever i wanted to do.

The reason technics were so amazing was that they are really working machines. if you are a little kid, making a real drving car (if hilariously small) is a great acomplishment, and plus really cool. and then you can take it apart and make something completely different, the same with legos. but the Technics were more technical, as they name suggests. Lego even made some tiny pnamatic pump systems to hook up to the machines to give them even more power and mechanization. But, i guess you have to like machines to get how fun they are.

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2004-01-09, 4:17 PM #11
And M-Tron... :-D I've got the full set of the later Space Police (The black, gray and red ones, with the green tinted windows). I also have the full Unitron collection, including the monorail. Yep, those were the days of the better Legos.
2004-01-09, 4:20 PM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
Blacktron <3
And what was the other one that came out a little later? The little guys with red and blue space suits... they were pretty cool too. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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Spyrius?

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2004-01-09, 4:21 PM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fondor1:
And M-Tron... :-D I've got the full set of the later Space Police (The black, gray and red ones, with the green tinted windows). I also have the full Unitron collection, including the monorail. Yep, those were the days of the better Legos. </font>


I have the Futron Monorail myself, but I always wanted the Unitron one too. Curse my parents for saying that "One lego monorail is enough"!!!

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2004-01-09, 4:25 PM #14
I remember scrutinizing the pictures on the Lego boxes for sets with good pices(sp?) that would make all of my creations even more awesome.

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2004-01-09, 4:25 PM #15
I LOVED the Space Police. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] I always wanted that huge thing they had...the big train/monster truck thing. And those Ice Planet guys were pretty cool too.

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2004-01-09, 4:28 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DSettahr:
Spyrius?

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I don't think so... but maybe. I don't remember. M-Tron seemed to ring a bell in my head... I don't remember though, i really don't. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]
The only ones I really remember were blacktron, with the black and white uniforms and green visors and stuff..

edit- OH, I REMEMBER ICE PLANET! Those guys were AWESOME! I loved the little chain saws [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-01-09, 4:29 PM #17
I always like the underwater guys (forget the name) and really wanted theier crystal mining base, but unfortunatly, it was something like $100. a bit outside of my budget. I had to end up constructing new things out of old legos which, i realize now, while not looking as good, was probably alot more fun then the set, although storylinew weren't very good.

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2004-01-09, 4:31 PM #18
oh, I remember the underwater guys too...

Wow, all these memories I forgot I had are comming back to me now... heh, and I'm just now realizing I was apparently quite a lego buff O.o
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2004-01-09, 4:33 PM #19
Legos will continue to toil until they decide to make sets that don't require parents to take out second mortgages to afford.

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2004-01-09, 4:37 PM #20
The Star Wars legos are do allow for some creativity. I got a mini lego set of the asteroid chase in ATOC, but got bored after making what it had in the box. So I made a mech-like thing. Then another spaceship. I need to find my old box of Legos. I love the things.

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2004-01-09, 4:52 PM #21
i went to a lego contest once... what i had was nowhere near as awsome as what other people had... including one huge house that probably had to be taken apart to get it through the door... and a scene with 2 mechs one a timberwolf and the other a fallen madcat

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2004-01-09, 4:54 PM #22
I think it was when I was 7 or 8 I dressed up as a M-Tron for Halloween. I painted two soda bottles black and strapped them to my back, along with a black motorcycle helmet with neon yellow laminate over the visor, a M-Tron vest, and black shirt and pants... And a M-tron figure in my pocked so I could show people what an M-tron was supposed to look like...

Also I agree with correction and checksum, Special pieces only go so far, the true value to the old lego sets was the NUMBER of pieces, they used to be measured in thousands for the large sets, now they are measured in simple hundreds. The old legos also re-used pieces in really cool ways, the strange sensor probe from the m-trons was actually a loud speaker for the police, and the 80's style windows on the office center were also futuristic landing struts for the blacktrons...

I will admit however, I did keep my legos separate by type (M-trons and Blacktrons did share a box however, they were the only ones who did share), not because I only wanted to build what was on the boxes, but because each different type of lego represented a different "faction" in my own fictional universe, and if i were to mix legos I would no longer have different "factions" Or so I thought at the time...

On, and the Ice planet was probably my favorite set...


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2004-01-09, 5:02 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Noble Outlaw:
I always like the underwater guys (forget the name) and really wanted theier crystal mining base, but unfortunatly, it was something like $100. a bit outside of my budget. I had to end up constructing new things out of old legos which, i realize now, while not looking as good, was probably alot more fun then the set, although storylinew weren't very good.

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2004-01-09, 5:30 PM #24
Those were the BEST times of lego. Space Police were great.....I had the big space police ship thing. it came apart into chunks and also had escape pods, and a little rover that came out of the back. and..oh man, it was so cool...
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2004-01-09, 5:35 PM #25
Don't quote me on this, but I think it went Spyrius, M-Tron, Blacktron, Space Police. Not 100% sure though, I just know that most of the stuff before that was before my time.

I never got the monorail, but I did get the battery powered train. The monorail would've been cooler though.

I think I still have my Legos somewhere. I'm going to look for them tomorrow [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif].
2004-01-09, 5:46 PM #26
Ah Lego, one of the few things I was really serious about as a kid. Oh sure, when I was outside, I'd laugh and play with my friends, but inside with my Lego, everything else was tuned out. It didn't matter how long it took, as long as I could build my vision. I think I used up an entire Lego Basic set and then some when I built my starship. I still have that thing on my shelf. I was very proud [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Yeah, it was Lego and army men for me. I was going to build a huge popsicle stick fort for those guys one summer, but we got the new P1 computer back then, so the most I made was a pill-box.

It's sad what electronic entertainment can do to young'uns. There's just something.....magical about the simple playthings of yesteryear. They stimulate the imagination in ways a video game can't. Meh, maybe I'm just showing my age.
2004-01-09, 5:48 PM #27
I never stuck to the model set for very long. I always liked coming up with my own cool stuff. I had a ton of the Ice Planet sets. They were cool (nice pun, right? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif])

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2004-01-09, 6:00 PM #28
You have convinced me to pull out my 3 massive bins of Legos and do something with them this weekend. God only knows how many sets I have. I'd have to go look to see what series I have. I saved the backs and fronts of every set I got. It's a big pile of carboard. I have 3 big ziplock bags of instructions for sets. Man... I remember sitting in the middle of the floor for HOURS on end sifting through pieces and building random things. And I ALWAYS got sidetracked. I'd build one thing, find a really cool piece, and start building on that instead.

Anyway... I think I'll make a mech or something to sit ontop of my monitor. I know I've plenty of pieces to do it with.

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2004-01-09, 6:37 PM #29
I've been working on slowly putting my original sets back together for the past few years. And I've found that I don't quite have the fingernails I used to have for prying the pieces apart... thank goodness I have a couple of the brick seperators.

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2004-01-09, 7:10 PM #30
Legos pwn. Everyone I know that has legos has a huge bin full to the top with random legos. It's just so much fun to build and create. My friends all have huge bins so I used to go over there and we'd build massive cities with complex economys and shops and inns and stuff then I'd always form organized crime and take over the city. Oh man legos are the best... Heheh, they were fun when I was in 3rd grade with my knights, and they were fun just a few months ago when I rebuilt "Wuthering Heights" out of legos while studying for my literature test. Good stuff. Good stuff.

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2004-01-09, 8:53 PM #31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BobTheMasher:
Those were the BEST times of lego. Space Police were great.....I had the big space police ship thing. it came apart into chunks and also had escape pods, and a little rover that came out of the back. and..oh man, it was so cool...</font>


I had that thing too! it was the best. I think I had almost everything for the space police, even this really old blue and black space-truck thing (not the "official" Space police colors). I had a bunch of the M-tron and blacktron and a couple little Ice planet things too. It was good times
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2004-01-09, 11:21 PM #32
There were two different Space Police groups... the first was blue and black with red see through pieces, and when they stopped making those they switched to the new ones with the grey and black with the green see through color scheme.

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2004-01-10, 1:19 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by agin222:
I miss Blacktron.</font>


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2004-01-10, 2:05 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
Legos were the only toys I ever played with. And I never really tried to build anything featured in the sets, I just got a bunch of sets, mixed all the parts together and built my own stuff from scratch.

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I did that too. Alot.


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2004-01-10, 2:50 AM #35
legos <3
for those of you wanting to build 'mechs i suggest this site to you www.brickcommander.com
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2004-01-10, 3:44 AM #36
Wait a minute... BlackTron were badguys? o.O

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2004-01-10, 3:48 AM #37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Correction:
Wait a minute... BlackTron were badguys? o.O

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Yes. They stole those little magnetic boxes from M-Tron all the time. They were a spy and terrorist network, IIRC.

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2004-01-10, 4:00 AM #38
Woah, I never thought about this until now.. Kinda makes me wish I got lego for all my birthdays a few years back. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] I could really go for a medieval/space/pirate crossbreed story! (Hmmm.. Spelljammer+LotR anyone? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] )
The new starwars legos that are out... The clone trooper transport, Falcon, AT-AT, and the driod assult tank out, give you a classic Y-Wing if you get them all. I got them all for christmas and it's actually pretty cool. I've invented my own story where the main character is me, and I fly a Y-Wing, and I fight the transports in space, and the tanks/walkers on land [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] It's actually pretty neat. But I agree, all the other new lego coming out sucksbad. I mean, even the old starwars lego rocked. I would make uglies, one was a y-wing/x-wing/tie fighter cross. It was pretty cool.. Speaking of old starwars stuff, whatever happened to starwars micromacines? I used to LOVE those as a kid. Now all they have are fold out cities.. I want my 45 peice micromachines starwars pack again.. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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2004-01-10, 4:06 AM #39
I never got any Blacktron or M-Tron sets [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]. I do have a few Space Police, one or two Ice Planet, a bunch of Spyrius. Does anyone remember the one set of legos that had the space guys with the grey helmets and the white suits? I think the Explorers or something of the sort? They were cool.

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2004-01-10, 7:03 AM #40
Exploriens.
I too miss the sets of old. I agree with everything in teh first few posts (haven't read it all yet). I particularly miss the M-Trons and blacktrons. You know, back before BWFS was actually BWFS, it had all started with an e-mail pen-pal. We just had this runnign PRG sorta thing with Legos. It was cool. It later mixed in star wars, and then eventually the LEGo stuff got mutated into my own creations (The Magnetizer Cruiser that I modelled montsh ago used to be based off of the M-Tron MCM, now teh name is about all that remains). And then I eventually pulled out all Star Wars elements too.

I loved the Space police, and I also aspired to get teh big ship, but never did. It was dicontinued before I could. I did, however, acquire somebody else's entire collection for 600 dollars, and it includeda *second* M-Ton MCM and Ice Planed DFD. I was so joyous! And it had the old space monorail and the town monorail, and that big 200 dollar techinc set! That's worth more than the 600 already,plus it had a ton of OLD sets, from the 80s. I loved it!

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