ok, i've had it with the Bush Administration's antics. The latest bit of news regarding a database set up for travellers, requiring all airline passengers to sign up in a database and international travellers photo and fingerprinting is ridiculous. I know that I sound like I'm preaching the reach of Big Brother and everything and no one wants to hear it, but this is getting out of hand. I'm tired of giving up personal freedoms in the name of safety. So here's what I'm gonna do, if it's ok with you. I'm gonna buy a gun. Gonna shoot everything everyone... sorry tangent.

I'm seriously considering putting together a demonstration against these new policies. But I'm a little old college student and the only thing that'll happen is I'll get arrested and never be able to get a job ever again. Maybe I'll be classified as a terrorist or something and be thrown in prison without due process, another one of those cases of Bush sidestepping the Constitution.

Also, Bush's proposal to ban Gay Marriages? Even Cheney is saying to leave it up to the individual states and it's no place for the US government to go. Bush is a dictator.

We need him out of power and I'm afraid what he will do when he wins in 2004. He's showing moderate restraint now because he needs to be re-elected. Next term will be a free for all for him and we already know he's a megalomaniac with no regards to basic rights.

Hasta la victoria siempre.

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tis ironic but in the name of freedom, hes taking away all of it?

me thinks tis sad and unfair hes trampling over all the ideals of what america is at heart n i agree he needs to be removed from power. honestly as someone brown, i find it comical that when my fmaily goes down to the states we get like freaked out border patrol kids jumpin our van tryin to make sure we're not afghany terrorists, so i do not mind. but i find it unfair that americans themselves are having to give up all this stuff in the name of 'preserving their freedom' and that stuff just happens to be things like freedom of speech, identity, etc. i heard something on the news vaguely about some girl who isnt allowed to go somewhere where she has to for university because her name matched with the name of some terrorist. honestly, brown people arent very creative with names! everything is practically out of the koran just as most names are outta the bible for most european and north american people.

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[teletubbie voice] BIG HUG!!!! [/teletubbie voice]

You know, I'm not afraid of big brother, and I personally don't care if they have my name, photo and finger prints. But I do know that when the database is made, there is a great potential for abuse by government present and future.
This is something the American people should not stand for.

Schming, what you need to do is organize 1000000 people to go to Washington, and speak there. Government doesn't care unless there's a million people on thier doorstep. And that's a fact.

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I would like to give my word for this conversation, but that would get me banned.

I also was going to post something that would have took over 130 rows of crap that no-one understands, so all the things I can say is just...

By all means, I hope Bush won't be re-elected.

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I'm voting for Lieberman. Here's to his nomination. *raises a Cola*

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If I could vote (I miss it by 1 year *grumbles*) Id probally vote for.. aw hell.. I really dont like any of them

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Happy "Diseased" dud: You said I'd be like this guy. Boycotting everything..
Happy "Diseased" dud: ted kazcnisky. That's who it was.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wait, That's the unibomer.
Happy "Diseased" dud: Wrong guy.

I'm tempted to sneak into the USA just to spite bush. Soon he'll demand fingerprints of people who want to access AMERICAN computers over the Internet! Gasp!

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SCHMING! SCHMING! SCHMING!

Okay, it doesn't affect me much, if at all. But still, I'd like to see Bush down and out.

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Yeah, but you know what? This one, this one right here, this was my dream, my wish, and it didn't come true. So I'm takin' it back. I'm takin' 'em all back.

the travel thing may seem a bit excessive, but I guess it's for a good cause. However the thing about gay marriages is just going too far. As for your demonstration, I can only wish you luck. People have already rallied by numbers greater than a million in several places all around the world and it's done nothing to stop him.

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

WTF?

If anything he's making waaay too many concessions to the left. Although, I do agree with some of your points on personal freedoms. The Patriot Act bothers me.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

But still, most of this thread is bound to be ignorant ranting, so please, continue below this line:
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[This message has been edited by oSiRiS (edited January 12, 2004).]

OMG BUSH SI LIEK TERH HITLAR

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-Robert Jastrow

The gay marriage amendment will never pass, ever. And with the travel database, how is it different than getting a driver's lisence? Numerous databases with people's personal information already exist, but no one's whining about that.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Brad agreeing with liberals and editing his post to seem less insulting?
*hell freezes over*

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When bread becomes toast, it can never go back to being bread again.

We both value personal liberties, but we differ in that I say you can't have personal liberty without economic liberty. Overall, I still feel Bush has been a pretty good president, but I do agree that this Patriot Act garbage better not get FDR'd.

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Actually I'm proud to say that people in my state had demonstrations outside the state capitol and removed our state from the driver's license info database. I think if more people were informed about what they are giving up and didnt see it as just a minor setback in the name of freedom but as an intrusion on the principles this country was founded on. Bush is in direct violation of the IV Amendment which states:



I know I'm not a Supreme Court Justice or of legal schooling, but to me this amendment clashes with the travel database. As US citizens we have the right to be secure in our persons, and information regarding us. I know that air travel is not an inalienable right, but why should we have to give up our rights in order to use a modern convenience? Any government that enforces such policies and at the same time retains that it is empowered by the Constitution is a quack government.


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[This message has been edited by Schming (edited January 12, 2004).]

In fact, I'm getting my Congressman's address and number, even though I know he's a republican and is so far up Bush's *** it wont matter. At least I'll have a clear conscience for tonight before it starts again tomorrow.

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So you're against fingerprinting and IDing foreign visitors? And if one of them was a terrorist and let out poison gas in the NY subway or blew up the Golden Gate Bridge you would be the first to complain, "Why didn't the gov't do anything to stop this????"

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Interesting Fact: Ivan the Terrible ordered an elephant executed because it failed to bow for him.

I'm against fingerprinting and ID:ing foreign visitors, because that makes it a whole lot more difficult for me as a tourist to get in.

I'll go to France or Iran or something where they're less anal about this.

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"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
-Robert Jastrow

no. I could care less about foreign visitors. they dont fall under the US constitution and are not protected from US policies as US citizens should be under the Bill of Rights.

I'm against the new bit of news regarding all american airline passengers must submit their information to a database as well.

I could care less if terrorists killed everyone in America, I'd be dead, so why would I care? But until I am dead, I shouldnt be held prisoner in my own country or treated like a 2nd class citizen just because I dont have a badge that designates me as a government official.

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O_o Iran is less anal? Don't they hate non-muslim tourists over there? Are they even allowed?

Anyway, I heard something else. I don't know who called this one, but it was either the generals or someone in the administration, but all the Reservists that their time in service has run up, are being kept in the military. That pisses me off to no end.

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I am the god of all that is relationships! You will respect my authoritah!

I've gotten the impression as of late that muslim tourists (notice how close the pronounciations for tourist and terrorist are?) are not allowed in the US.

But I'm not muslim, why should I care?

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"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
-Robert Jastrow

they're allowed, but they're scrutinized VERY much so now. all foreign travellers are photographed and fingerprinted and other information is put into a TSA database.

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Yep it's a fact, except look back at some cases where this happened, and what the reaction was.

The WWI veteran march to get their pensions early during the depression was met by the calling of the national guard.

Lesson: might want to call ahead.

Though I dislike Bush's motives and many of his actions, I'm not really inclined to think he's trying to be a dictator, so much as he is being an ignorant *** .

The government has always wanted to get the internet under control since it became widespread. Some legislation is needed, as business can't go on well in an anarchy. I'd watch how candidates intend to enforce it though, and what seemingly unrelated present or upcoming legislation could have as an effect on it(ie: the "Patriot" Act).

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

I was outraged about foriegn travellers being finterprinted and ID'ed, but what's this about Americans needing it too? Link please.

Schming- About the demonstration, plan it for 6 months from now or something over a school break, and get as many people to go as you can. If you're going to DC, I'll see if I can go, I know I know of people that would kill to go.

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"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

Something tells me that Schming's not threatening to overthrow the government.



I'm not sure they could fit all of that text on a dime...

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"LC Tusken: the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot"
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Hey.. you never know. It's been, what? More than 200 years since the last good revolution?

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MadQuack on Military school: Pro's: I get to shoot a gun. Con's: Everything else.
"I'm going to beat you until the laws of physics are violated!!" ! Maeve's Warcry

RIP -MaDaVentor-. You will be missed.

No, it's been what... 2004 minus 1917...

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quite frankly all the people complaining about the new security with flying is just plain stupidity.

i went back to Zimbabwe last year. i had to go through tons of security but it's only a hassle if you complain about it or drag your feet (which some people do subconciously because they don't like being there)

really a databse with my photo in it is no different than my PASSPORT.
already the government has me in their databases for passport, photo ID (or drivers license) and several other things.

if i have to smash my thumb into a touchscreen before i can fly then i really don't care.
in fact, i think that's quite nice because i'll be more sure that no moron is trying to get on the plane with a knife or some such stupid thing.

yes, i think americans have somewhat over reacted to sept 11th with all the over-stressing of security... but some of this stuff we should've had LONG ago.

just my $0.02

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just kidding.

Neither were they, but a large crowd scared politicians. Then again, his group isn't a bunch of ex-soldiers.

My problem w/ the ID-ing is small. I can understand it, it's a small inconvenience, is quick, and it pays for it to be quick, but I empathize with people being treated like a criminal.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

You so totally ripped off my ben franklin quote on your website. GET YOUR OWN QUOTES!

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Yay Is_907.. Now i don't need to btoher typing up a long post of my own

As to Cheney backing out of supporting the Gay Marriage ban.. well, his daughter /did/ turn out to be a lesbian after all, that's gonna make his biases on the issue a bit dodgy [no pun intended]. Happens in the best of families and all that.

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but foreign visitors have their own rights which still should be respected in other countries.

also, have you heard this thing that proclaims that if you aren't prepaired to let other people have a certain right, then you should not have that right yourself.

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I can't vote, but I would vote bush. I don't care what he does, he can ruin the country for all I care. Heck, anyone elected can. In the end I will be the leader, you take your little bit of democracy now. I'm bringin in the communism later.

HEIL BUSH!

at least thats what he wants...

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When you expect the pain - nothing left to ascertain
When you respect the lie - Deadly chasm open wide
---Circle of Dust "Chasm"

A terrorist attack is empirically proven to have the potential for thousands of deaths. A loss in some freedom at the airport causes what, exactly?

Now, if it were proven that a terrorist attack will not be prevented by this plan, or that loss of freedom outweighs I will probably be against it.

Well, you can bet the FBI picked up THIS thread in their scanners.

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It's not as if the US Government doesn' already have all the info it needs. IRS, anyone? People are screaming over nothing.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Yes, they presumably have rights in their own countries, but that is not for us to deal with. Nations are sovereign entities, and the rights given to US citizens do not apply to anyone BUT US citizens.

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Viva la reviolies!

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"We came, we saw, we conquered, we...woke up!"

/me wants to live in Canada...

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When you expect the pain - nothing left to ascertain
When you respect the lie - Deadly chasm open wide
---Circle of Dust "Chasm"