There is a song out I think by Lil Jon or some rapper but part of it(or maybe all of it) is a song by some older rock band(probably Guns and Roses) and the only part I can remember is the singer of the older song going "Aye" or "Ai" everyone once in awhile and it echos. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

I can't...you just...how do you not know o....I hate you. :p

Ozzy OsFREAKINbourne - Crazy Train

Yeah, I can't believe Ozzy allowed his song to get murdered like that.



That's a sin. Ozzy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guns and Roses.

That songs pretty popular, but it makes me cringe...

I heard it on the radio (Lil John's version), and the "AYE-AYe-Aye-aye..." caught my ear. I'm like, "Where have I heard that?"

Next day, paging through my MP3 list, I thought, "Damn Lil John. Damn. Him. To. Hell."

I wouldn't even mind the song, but that sample just makes me cry. My g/f loves the song, and she didn't even know what crazy train was...made me sad

Did Lil Jon put it out under a different name than Crazy Train? I can't find the song anywhere.

I'm leaving this thread before I get permabanned...

/explodes

I'm sure he would have. I believe he only sampled the song.

I have to listen to crappy radio at work, so I've heard it. It sucks.

Even I kind of like the original Crazy Train.

Hmmm.....where to begin. First of, Lil Jon should be banished to a hell of eternal pain for ripping that song off. I find him to be very annoying, and his gaining popularity through one of the most famous rock songs ever made ANGERS me to a point where I see an infinite amount of RED . Second of all, I don't care what anyone else thinks, GNR is better than Ozzy by far. Sure they were a volatile band, but they were geniuses! Ozzy has made a lot of good songs too, but not as good as GNR. Too bad they broke up. And third of all (but not least, actually BEST), ROCK/METAL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rap/hip hop. That is all.

And why might that be?

I agree, I'm not about to start a musical genre debate. I've heard a ton of hip-hop that was 1000x better than half the **** I hear on the rock radio stations. IMO there's just as much **** in either group.

The big thing that bothers me is how all these mainstream hip-hop artists can blatantly .... rip off songs, slap some new lyrics on em, and everyone praises them and helps the album hit the top 10. BUT if any othe demographic does that, they get sued/pulled/booed...and I believe it to be purely a matter of money. Hip-hop can do this because there's more money in it. Granted, I know not all hip-hop artists are like this, because I know plenty of good hip hop. I've mainly noticed this with the more popular, mainstream, and often...worse artists. Hence why I italicized mainstream.

True, and I highly dislike mainstream hip-hop. But sampling is a hip-hop tradition, more than just "ripping off," if it's done tastefully (a la MBM).

Sampling is a great tradition in a ton of music, but it goes beyond that in hip-hop. Sometimes they'll take a whole song and just remove the lyrics, then put their own in. They don't put any musical effort in, and that's what bugs me. I don't mind sampling...but in the music community I'm a part of (DnB), if you sample you make damn sure that your sample is either cleared from the original artist, or change it enough to where it's not recognizable.

*cough*amenbreak*cough*

But I agree with that. I'm pretty sure most forms of electronic music are derived from Hip-Hop, though.

Exactly. Noone except people new to the scene use the amen break anymore because it's worn out. Same with tightenup, aluminum, and all those other cliche breaks (I can name a ton.....literally).

It's all about layering breaks, now. Anyone who uses only one break in there song will have a very difficult time getting picked up by a label.

Why not just get a drum kit and start making new ones?

I have a drumkit, just no good recording equipment.

You, sir, understand. Thank you.

*bows*

First of all...
Hip-hop>>>> Metal if anything. Oh wait, it's all subjective anyway. Either statement of one being superior is ridiculous.

Crazy Train is a brilliant pop song, worthy of The Beatles.

I don't see what's so wrong about sampling songs. Most people know that it's not their song originally. Unlike that stupid band Jet and the way they ripped off Lust for Life.

Great artists can also use sampling, often to a great effect. Some have said that the Beatles song "All You Need is Love" is sort of pre-sampling, as even though they played the french national anthem opening, it was used in the same way that sampling is. There often can be quite a bit of creativity to it.
Borrowing riffs has also been around quite a bit. There are a ton of early rock songs that use the Chuck Berry riff.

To say that most forms of electronic music are derived from hip-hop is not entirely true.
Electronic music has been around since the 60's. Again, The Beatles did stuff in early electronic music.
Hip-hop wasn't around until the late 70's, with the first rap song ever recorded, Rapper's Delight by The Sugarhill Gang, released in 1979.

Electronic music and hip-hop since then have influenced each other. Indeed, pretty much all modern forms of electronic music are hip-hop influenced.

First, there's more feeling and expression overall in rock/metal music compared to rap/hip hop. Also, it rarely becomes annoyingly repetitive, unlike most rap/hip hop. I'm sure that some of you believe that this is untrue, and that much of this is opinionated, but think about it a bit and you'll see that I have a point.

Your point is based on something that is purely subjective, therefore it is not and cannot be fact.

No, you don't have a point. You have a prejudice. A stupid one, at that.

what the ****? lil jon should be maimed simply for disrespecting Randy Rhoads' memory!

kids these days, no respect for dead legends

/me steps in, looks around, plants a bomb in the middle of the thread, then walks away

there is a huge amount of closed minded rock snobs on these forums who cannot appriciate or even understand another genre, whilst being horribly opinionated and stubborn about the bands they like.

nobody cares about what kinda music you like, or what music you hate, it does not make you right.

Meh. I find rock and rap fine on their own, but I really like it when they are put together which I why this song caught my attention. But basically no body can help me find this song?

i heard a lil jon tune on my mates cd player that he did with Slayer, try a search for that, i couldn't help with the song title though, sorry.

You don't have to agree with what I think. Opinions are what make living worth while. You may like other things for the reasons that I don't like them, that's your choice. Point is, everyone will (or atleast should) support what they like. Obviously there's no right or wrong answer, just best or worse for the person who thinks of it.

Hehe, I love these arguments.

"I'm right, if you think about it you'll see that I am."

"You're wrong because blah and blah and blah."

"Well it's just my opinion..."

Opinions are great, especially when there are based on some knowledge of the subject at hand. That's hardly been the case when it comes to rap/hip hop here. A large percentage of people here spout of that all rap or hip hop suck when they have little knowledge of rap or hip hop other than the two songs they heard on the radio one time.

Yeah, that's right. I don't know anything about rap/hip hop. All I know is that it's a genre of music, but I don't know what it sounds like at all. Nope, never heard of it. Never. [/angry sarcasm]
This isn't the first time I've tried to speak my mind only to have people try to make thoughts for me. I've heard a lot of rap/hip hop. Frankly, I find that rock/metal has more expression and more outlets for it. This genre can cover any subject through song (and there are examples). Rap/Hip hop however, I've not heard as many examples.

Rap and Metal can be about anything you want them to be. The genre doesn't limit you in that respect. But different kinds of people write about different things, you know? They tend to come from different backgrounds, which influences it to some degree.

Let's put it this way: Any form of symphonic/melodic metal > "yo check ma *****ezz"-style hip-hop.

Precisely, and any form of GOOD rap > "Raaaarggh demons death raarrgh aagh bite my tongue" style metal.

I love you guys lol

You obviously haven't heard much variety of hip-hop.
It's like rock really, most of the mainstream stuff sucks and you have to look underground. At least, for the most part, mainstream hip-hop is much better than mainstream rock.

What you're saying is like somebody who's only seen Thomas Kincade paintings saying "Painting sucks! I've seen a lot of paintings, and they're all crap!"

Stop bring snese and logic to this thread! :p

Kidding, obviously. I say the exact same thing in every thread we have about rap and hip hop. It's nice to know that there are some other reasonable people here.

As has been said many times, by myself and others, if you're judging the entire genre of rap and hip hop based on what's played on the radio, you are grossly uninformed about the genre. It would be the exact same thing as some one saying they hate punk because they don't like Blink 182. You can't make or develop and informed opinion if you're basing that opinion on a very small segment of the genre.

In my opinion, rock is a much more open genre for expression. When I think of what defines a song as rock and what defines a song as hip-hop, I think that hip-hop is simply more restrictive. The songs all kind of sound the same. And hip-hop is much more repititive. Plus, most of you keep pointing to underground hip-hop as where to look. Well, you can find great mainstream and underground rock music. You don't have to go searching for it.

First, you're kind of contradicting yourself. Second, it's not that hard to find underground hip-hop. The process is the same as finding any underground rock band.