Once agin, The lighting is right, But I do agree that on the outside wall needs to be more of a shadow witch is easy to fix , I have I have some 3do lights that I have not yet put in the level, that will even out how the light shines on the walls. Thers about 3 lights extra light I will have in ther. The room is not 100% complet, I still have a few things to do in ther, But Im taking care of new areas right now. I will have new Screen shot in a few days.

Any more suggestions?I need some ideas for rooms that can relate to the lab. Thanks!

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Great. It's time for me to go through my usual routine when I see a great looking JK level shot...

1. My eyes bug out like this
2. I say "OMQ IS THAT JK????!!!!"
3. I congratulate the author for keeping such a great game alive.

Excellent work. I beg to differ about the textures, they remind me a little too much of Doom. Otherwise, it's nice how you got better resolution textures in here. Not to mention, the shadows are better than I've seen Unreal or Quake engines make although it takes a lot more work. For the lab, all I would do is see what works and what doesn't in your mind. But if I must...put in an X-ray room of some sort and some alien-humanoid X-rays. If this is supposed to be in Star Wars that is; you havent told us yet.

Regardless of these problems:
/me gives you a box of homemade cookies

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[This message has been edited by Hard_Driver (edited May 29, 2003).]

Um... do you want to benifit from UR sine?

Congrats on the SotD, even though I had to tell you about it to get you to notice... heh

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What I want to know is, did you really pay for it? Or did you 'Get it from a friend who paid for it' like the last guy.

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I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

The last guy was me (Metal Gear level)
Yes I got it from a friend, and no I dident pay for it lol. Its a older ver. of JKEdit as well.


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What I want to know is why they want you to pay for it. I mean, the programmers should be so nice to let us have it for free when all of Massassi is mostly free and the level designers here do it out of the goodness of their heart. Geez, I mean that's quite a rip coming from fellow JK'ers.

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I feel your pain
Its really stupid, JKEdit isent good comapred to other level editors out ther today, and you dont have to pay for them.Just tells you who the greedy people are in this world



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BTW, anyone have any good 3DOs that will look good in the level? Im not the worlds greatest 3DO maker. Thanks!

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Understandably so, since you don't use JED.

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

Awsome looking level!!! Another person like me who is not a newbie at JkEdit, although I have been working in JkEdit for a year and can't figure out to to do lighting that good. Keep up the good work!! As for the person who said it takes longer to do things in JkEdit than in JED, once you have used JkEdit for a while and you are used to it, you can create levels just as fast as you can in JED.

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Heh, I would try JED after you are doen with this level set, Skyline. I'm sure you could do great creations like this in there as well. Yes, the whole try 'n' buy thing sure does show who the greedy people are here .

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Great job Skyline, you're giving JkEdit the rep it needs. JkEdit is a GREAT editor that is as powerful as JED, but most of you don't give it a chance. I applaud Skyline for keeping at it.

I've tried JED way too many times and...jeez, how do you use that thing? I really did try my hardest to get it to make a nice level, putting in tons of hours. No dice.

JkEdit does take a while to get used to, but I had a load of fun learning. JED seems like it's NOT fun learning, then it gets fun once you get better. That's just me though.

JED is a great editor, but JkEdit is also a great editor. For $30, I had some of the most fun times on my computer.

And also, no, I'm not getting paid to say this.

That's one big *** pair of scissors.

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It's just my belief that we shouldn't have to pay for an editing program for a game that is 6 years old, has a competing freeware editor, and frankly, is really backwards when you use it. You probably had a hard time with JED because you were used to the backwards ways of JkEdit

Can I see a grid shot?

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

Once again, great looking level!! We need more people like you to give JkEdit the reputation and respect it deserves!! One thing though. The creator of JkEdit did an excellent jop on the level editor, but the 3do editor just sucked. If there is one thing worth learning JED for, it is the creation of 3dos.

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And levels.

Honestly, JKedit, which I purchased and HAVE used, is not worth the 30 dollars, you ask me. I get way more inconcistencies, way more unecisary cuts, and never enough cleaves. If you're good, use it, but if you're better, use JED. People don't give JED a chance. Newbies pick it up, use it once, then run away. It takes practice, I'll be the first to tell you, because I'm STILL a n00b at using it, but at least I'm sticking with it, because I at least want a level that works well, not a level with inconcistencies.

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Well here is a wire frame shot, Is not all that good but it will have to do for now. You can see ive been working on my rooms and what not, but Im not going to show them tell more is completed.



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That's a lot of cleaves. I'm suprised you don't have HOM yet, especially on that staircase.

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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

JKEdit is quite bad in my opinion, but that doesn't mean good things can't be created with it. It's just harder and more time consuming, but you can do it. We've seen amazing things done in JKEdit, it's just rare.

Keep up the good work. Like others have suggested, I suggest you try JED.

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He probably doesn't have HOM yet because JkEdit has an error checker that lets you know the errors you have and prevents you from testing you level if you have concave sectors or surfaces.

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Michael Kyle

JED has an error checker, although it doesn't stop you trying to play, since not all errors will cause crashes anyway.

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Watch out for this guy => :banned:

Yeah, many levels take use of overlapping sectors, HOM and other things.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Well you can still test your level, but JkEdit only stops you from testing when you have some errors that cause HOM or any other error that can crash the game such as concave sectors or surfaces not when you have overlaping verticies. Overlaping errors can be "cleaned up". I think error checking can be disabled though so you can test your level.

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[This message has been edited by michael_kyle (edited May 30, 2003).]

Skyline, I use JkEdit too, and if it is not too much trouble, could you email me and let me know how you made that lighting so exact that it looks like it is following a line and give a shadow looking effect.

You can email me at [url="mailto:elements783@yahoo.com"]mailto:elements783@yahoo.com[/url]elements783@yahoo.com</A>

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I dont think its true what most people say about JKEdit being slower than JED. All I have to say is if your good at the program, and know what to do and know were things are. You can be just as fast as JED, I only worked on this level for not even 2 days,or should I say nights, my comp keeps over heating and my comp frezzs up so I have to wait tell night to work on my level cause its so **** hot over here.

I didnt make this thread for people to fight over witch editor is better.Its not about the programes at all,its all about the level and things we create with them

just my two cents

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i don't think most of those cleaves should be a problem. they're mostly surface cleaves which is how he got the awesome lighting. i've tried that technique but i didn't quite get it like you did. i'm not too certain about the new room on the bottom right of the pic. that might get a little messy.

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Yes, but if I recall my JK Editing for N00bs class correctly, if you have more than 24 vertices on a surface, it'll cause big trouble. That staircase he has looks quite tempting.



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"The future is not determined by a throw of the dice, but is determined by the conscious decisions of you and me."
I am addicted to ellipses!!! AHHH!!! ...

Im keeping a close lookout on the surface count. But everthing is running real smooth right now.Im real happy with the results.



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i'll say this much. it looks ok. you have a lot of fragmented lighting. the environment is rich, but it is extremely plain. if you can pull off such clean-looking maps, why not push yourself and make them more detailed?

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All's well that ends well; if it ever ends at all.

i think your level looks good. i can tell where you pay attention to detail is in the lighting. if the layout runs well and the gameplay is smooth, go with it. even if it is a bunch of boxes, it has a nice look to it.

i believe lighting is the utmost important thing in making a level look good. that's not saying good lighting makes a good level, but that it makes a cool lookin' level. i think there's someone out there who added a whole bunch of volumetric lighting (casts shadows) and bump mapping (very related to lighting) and other stuff to the old first quake engine and it looked freaking awesome, even if the geometry was a little basic.

edit: eh, oops

[This message has been edited by Jake (edited May 31, 2003).]

The reason why it looks plain is Because I just started the level, and im not concerned about detail as of not, Im only concertating on is what kind of rooms I want, were I want them to be and not last or the least....LIGHTING! makeing lighting like that and trying to detail "A" room can make a man go insane.

Btw...everthing you see in the level is archi, ther is only one 3DO in the and thats the player model.

Ill have more pics soon when more "detailed" rooms are completed

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i tryed the demo of JKedit and used JED when i ahd no idea about either (and had not foudn massassi :P) and hell, JED is far easyer for me )
24 vertexises in eatch surface is no probelem, as i use a totaly different system for my lighting, if you make a surface where you wnat your shadow to be (by cleaveing teh sector) and give it teh "blocks light" flag it blocks any light, it amkes reliable shaddows everythime

-kicks JKedit demo back to life-

you know, if i work darn hard on a room for a while i might get the SotD. i msut. as tehn ppl will listen to me

p.s. has any one counted the number of simlies in thsi post? its massive comparited to other smilies.

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