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2003-07-19, 3:35 PM #41
I did some shots, too. I also fixed the mural. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0035.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0036.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0037.jpg]

Just a shot from above to show the layout so far.

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2003-07-19, 4:35 PM #42
I wish i could make that thing

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2003-07-19, 4:50 PM #43
that's looking really good

hopefully you'll find a modeler soon so you can release the level. I wanna download it!!11111

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2003-07-19, 5:09 PM #44
Heh... thanks guys.

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2003-07-19, 5:47 PM #45
A lot better, but the cartoon textures just do not fly.

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2003-07-19, 5:54 PM #46
By cartooney, i am guessing you mean the yellow square modling of the lower walls? because that is the only texture that strikes me as cartooney.

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2003-07-19, 7:06 PM #47
The floor textures make it. I'm not quite sure if I recall this correctly, but if you were to give the floor a sheen (through a shader, NOT reflective), it'd look even cooler...

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2003-07-19, 7:10 PM #48
omq... pure sexiness... My only complaint is that I'd like to see something done with the ceiling, yes, I know it's teh Chateau...but perhaps we can find something to make teh ceiling less plain...

And I agree with the lower wall texture... needs some bevelling or something

everything else though... *drool*

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2003-07-19, 7:10 PM #49
Hahaha... accualy thrawn is working on that now... and i have a feeling you wont like what he is doing :\

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2003-07-19, 7:13 PM #50
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Cazor:
that is the only texture that strikes me as cartooney.</font>


They are all cartoony, save the mural. They lack detail, they are solid colored. It's like a cheap version of cel shading. You can take my word for it and admit that your level isn't as godly as you'd like it to be, or I could get Zuljin to explain why they are cartoony.

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2003-07-19, 7:16 PM #51
theyre cartoony because they are solid color. that's all there is to it. the patterns are good, but the rest sucks (re: textures)

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2003-07-19, 7:28 PM #52
Or maybe you can stop saying that it is cartooney even though chateau is very constant in color.

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/matrix.jpg]

I mean yeah, maybe the molding doesnt look AS 3D AS IT COULD, but since it would be hard to make all of it on that curved surface, im going to have to use a texture.

So please. If you are going to keep saying that its "cartooney" and not make me a texture that looks like the movie and isnt "cartooney" then i think you can just not comment.

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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited July 19, 2003).]
2003-07-19, 7:34 PM #53
I'd like to point out that the textures have quite an adequate of detail. It's just that from a distance like this, you cannot see it. Plus, Cazor is right. There isn't a lot of detail on the walls of the movie Chateau either. Until someone better wants to make textures for it, it's staying like this.
2003-07-19, 7:46 PM #54
You people make me do this:

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/pillar.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/wall2.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/wall3.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/column.JPG]

Now these textures are not for public use... Unless you email me and thrawn and I give you permission, you cant use them.

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2003-07-19, 9:51 PM #55
Yeah. Something does need to be done with the textures. I need the GL extensions otherwise I get a 25-30 FPS. The ones you posted look good.

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2003-07-19, 11:23 PM #56
Your reference shots are small, and scaled down. Detail is lost in those. You have to use your imagination a little and figure out what those walls should really look like.

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2003-07-20, 4:01 AM #57
Textures are making a difference [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

Nice work on that domed roof above the deck.

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2003-07-20, 5:02 AM #58
Ceiling is too low. It looks low because of the camera angle in your reference shot, but it's higher than what you have it. Needs new textures as well.
2003-07-20, 6:23 AM #59
Yeah, well, already the ceiiling is high enough so that you cant hit it even with level 3 force jump. I dont see the point of making it any larger, because (as i have said many times before) this level is MUCH larger than what the location is in the movie. I did that for gameplay purposes.


And by "Needs new textures as well." you mean the ceiling, right? because all the textures everywhere are new.


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2003-07-20, 8:29 AM #60
No, he means needs all new textures. Why can't you accept it already? Those textures are cartoons, stop living in deniel. Do you want Zully to post in this thread and go nuts about how bad they look, or will you just believe us?

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2003-07-20, 8:32 AM #61
And is it just me, or have you not used patchshadows?

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2003-07-20, 8:41 AM #62
Remapped the top room.

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0038.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0039.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0040.jpg]

[edit] Oh yeah, dont worry about the lighting. just wanted to show the upper room and get some opinions before i changed it too much. It's already fixed but i didnt really want to compile it again[/edit]

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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited July 20, 2003).]
2003-07-20, 8:49 AM #63
Dang, the level seems kinda small. I hope it's gonna be duel.

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2003-07-20, 8:52 AM #64
Emon, I have no problem with constructive criticism, but this is starting to border on sadistic. I'm going to say this one more time, and then I'm going to ignore you.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Thrawn42689:
I'd like to point out that the textures have quite an adequate of detail. It's just that from a distance like this, you cannot see it. Plus, Cazor is right. There isn't a lot of detail on the walls of the movie Chateau either. Until someone better wants to make textures for it, it's staying like this.</font>


If you have a SUGGESTION on how to improve the textures, go right ahead. But if you are just going to repeat yourself and ignore what I say, I will not do anything. Capishe?

EDIT: And we are using patchshadows.

[This message has been edited by Thrawn42689 (edited July 20, 2003).]
2003-07-20, 9:02 AM #65
So how come I could see the detail in the Raven texture he used, from a distance? Try increasing the contrast a little.

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2003-07-20, 9:02 AM #66
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blackbelt7:
Dang, the level seems kinda small. I hope it's gonna be duel.

</font>


PSH! right now three peopel and i can have enough room to fight FFA. its bigger than it seems. and im adding new rooms right now. And since im not going to mess with swinging doors in JO (and i dont want it to go *swoosh* the the side like a SW door) im going to just have invisible portals in front of the doors or maybe triggered by puching the doornobs. Maybe even a random placement thing, like if you chase someone through a door, you end up in the mountains.



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2003-07-20, 9:27 AM #67
Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">And by "Needs new textures as well." you mean the ceiling, right? because all the textures everywhere are new.</font>


No, I did mean everywhere.
2003-07-20, 10:49 AM #68
I am probably missing something in all this, but somehow I don't see those as "cartoony." You all say that solid colors == bad. I know it was explained to me that a shader needs to be used with the color.

I guess my confusion stems from the fact that in the movie, the walls are relatively a solid color only different shades due to lighting. Yet, you all say that solid colors are bad. Now, would this shader of which y'all speak give the walls a more realistic appearance?

Forgive my level designing ignorance.

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2003-07-20, 11:01 AM #69
Amen.

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2003-07-20, 1:02 PM #70
The movie screenshots are a very low resolution. Cazor claims that lack of detail in the textures is due to distance and image resizing, yet I can see the detail in Raven's textures just fine, as can I see the detail in any other texture with distance and resizing.

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2003-07-20, 1:02 PM #71
Emon, if you're such an expert at this, why don't YOU make textures for cazor?

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2003-07-20, 1:04 PM #72
You arent getting it, Emon. Please stop posting on this thread.

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2003-07-20, 1:27 PM #73
I'm going to have to point out the obvious here...
The walls in the movie pictures have more detail because they have a heck of alot of weapons on them. These weapons also cast fuzzy shadows onto the wall, which is probably the detail you think is missing from the wall.
if those weapons were not there in the movie it would probably be constant color like Cazors map.

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2003-07-20, 2:06 PM #74
The textures really enhance the look of the level. I WANT TO PLAY IT ON A SERVER.

MP maps that aren't hosted on servers have no value.

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2003-07-20, 3:49 PM #75
I'm now working on the hallway in the basement leading to the parking garage. If you ask please... i might make the garage too. But only if you think it would be fun to play in.

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0041.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0042.jpg]

[http://ut2k3net.com/cazor/screenshots/matrix/shot0043.jpg]

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[This message has been edited by Cazor (edited July 20, 2003).]
2003-07-20, 3:55 PM #76
I suggest spending time on the parking ramp, and I'm looking at this whole level, and I see absolutelly to light sources. I see light, but where is it comming from? Perhaps it's a glitch in the matrix...

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2003-07-20, 4:09 PM #77
There are windows on the walls of this room that will make light and in the main hall, the skylight and that chandalier will give the light.

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2003-07-20, 4:11 PM #78
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
A lot better, but the cartoon textures just do not fly.

</font>


I agree. The floor textures just look too bold and un... un-styled? they need to be toned down, maybe add some thinner lines... but I guess that's a job for Thrawn42689 [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]. the pattern itself is good though.

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2003-07-21, 6:26 AM #79
The floor needs a reflective shader badly. You should really consider making the moulding out of architecture instead of just using textures.

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2003-07-21, 6:34 AM #80
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blood Asp:
The floor needs a reflective shader badly. You should really consider making the moulding out of architecture instead of just using textures.

</font>


The floor has been done, it's just that I have all the shaders and Cazor is posting all the screenshots. And Detty is supposed to be adding the molding as we speak. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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