That is why I deleted the last topic, there were too many of unkind posts.

Here, I just did a remake of the imp sidearm in JK. I dunno if I'm going to use this model or not....



I don't care what you exactly think on this one.

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[This message has been edited by Descent_pilot (edited August 01, 2003).]

The trigger is too small...

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"Laugh it up Fuzzball!"
-Han Solo

it's the golden gun =]

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MUCH better. I don't know whether you took my post to be unkind, but generic though the imperial sidearm may be, you have to do more than make a big "L." Try using sideways pics and schematics for best results.

I did a lot of looking, and finally came up with a reference pic.

http://www.swtroopers.com/imp_costumes/imp_ofc_holster3.jpg

The page it came from says it's some kind of Merr-Sonn blaster. I'll do some more looking to see if I can find a better pic.

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[This message has been edited by Kievan Mereel (edited August 01, 2003).]

[This message has been edited by Kievan Mereel (edited August 01, 2003).]

It looks better than your first, but if this is for JK, you DO know that an almost identical 3do of the same gun exists in the game already, right? And that it is easily modified for player use?

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Dark, Darker, Darko

Well, I found pics of the blasters that go with that pic I posted earlier. It can be found at The Parts of Star Wars web site, which was suggested in your now-deleted thread.

http://www.partsofsw.com/merrsonn.htm
http://www.partsofsw.com/merrson2.htm (This is the one shown in my earlier pic)
Doesn't look much like the blaster in JK, now does it?

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[This message has been edited by Kievan Mereel (edited August 01, 2003).]

I found some more reference pics of Imperial Officers with their sidearms. Scroll down a bit to the 'Censorship' pic.
http://index.echostation.com/trilogy/detentionblock.htm

The first one is carrying a BlasTech DH-17 pistol.

The second one is carrying a SR Combat Pistol.

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[This message has been edited by Kievan Mereel (edited August 01, 2003).]

Darko, reread please.

Kievan Mereel, thanks for the reference. The SR combact pistol will probably be the one I use.

PS - Thrawn, you're comments weren't really unkind. Emon's.........

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The 2 riddle!

[This message has been edited by Descent_pilot (edited August 01, 2003).]

It's definately better, but could still use some work.

Also, I'd still recommend building the high-detailed model first. It's MUCH easier to go from high to low-poly (in fact I've seen SOME 3D programs that actually have a command for it) than to start with a simple model and make it high-detailed. Just some friendly advice based on my experiences modelling ships for XWA.

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It...looks exactly the same as the old one.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

And I am sorry if you cannot accept the fact that you are not the godly modeler you make yourself out to be.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

...but...it's...EXACTLY the same! I could understand remaking it with more detail, but all that I can see that you've added is the trigger, which will be hidden from view when a player holds it!

And I'm sorry, but it IS a very basic model.

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Dark, Darker, Darko

Was my post deleted for some reason, or did I just never post it?

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"Gotta love the part when 20 guys come out of that Jeep Wrangler." -THRAWN

Now that's certainly not the right attitude to cary when you post pictures on the showcase forums. If people have opinions, you need to let them feel free to post them. From your other topic, I only saw 2 completely rude posts, and they weren't by our regulars. They were by people that don't know what constructive is.

This model is much better, but still lacks in small detail. It may be an external mesh, but it's still just too basic. You may want to include a larger end to the barrel, perhaps some dials and sharp edges on the body, a scope, a cartridge-slow (I don't know the technical term), perhaps some guides? The possibilities are endless, and you should venture them. Right now, when I see that model on an enemy soldier, I'm going to wonder why the Empire didn't spend more, and get some higher tech guns. It should LOOK complicated, but doesn't need to be. A lot of people think that externals are just boxes with handles (That's not what I'm calling yours ^.^) but really, they should only be about 1/4 or 1/3 less pollys, which is just lowering the sides on a cylinder, getting rid of a bolt you wouldn't see, or deleting a completely unseen area.

JediKirby

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That *points at emon* is completely uncalled for!! That is derogitory and mean and cruel. I can take an insult or a negitive comment on my models, but that! That is the reason why I deleted my last topic.

Now that that is out of the way. (Edit - I'd also like to apologize in advance for anyone who finds my reaction rude, I know I my not be the nicest guy.....) I did add a few things that the onld one didn't have.
Changed is:
the grip isn't just a rectanglar box, includes back and trigger
the body isn't a box as well, is octagonal
Changed the barrel to gun size ratio
Changed the hand to gun size ratio abit

I know its hard to see most of these things, and I also know its a basic model, but yeah, maybe some sights or a scope or something. Also will include a surpressor.

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The 2 riddle!

[This message has been edited by Descent_pilot (edited August 02, 2003).]

I'm sorry, but that is how you act. In many of your threads you seem unable to take criticism. You take small suggestions, but anything major you can't seem to accept.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Oh yeah, we definitely needed 3 different angles of that model.

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Ω of 14

The modeler has the right to do whatever they want with the model, even to disagree with a suggetion. When the modeler tells someone that they don't agree with their "major" suggestion, that's where that suggestion should end. However, this is not what we have seen on these boards. What we HAVE seen, is people contiuing to push their suggestions on the modeler and even begin to insult the modeler. Then the modeler gets labeled as someone who can't take critique.

The fact of the matter is, it's the people that don't like their suggestions being rejected that are causing all the problems.



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Try not, do; or do not.

There's a difference between rejecting suggestions and rejecting the fact that there's a problem. I also see no problem in being persistant, it's in many other threads and causes no problems.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Your trying to rationalize what you see as a problem versus what the modeler sees as a problem, which might not be the same. And yes, pushing your opinion IS a problem. Reguardless as to whather or not you think it's a problem or if it's just a mere suggestion, if a modeler rejects it, that's where it should end. Simply walk away from the thread if you don't like it. No sense in beating a dead horse.

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[This message has been edited by Friend14 (edited August 03, 2003).]

Well perhaps he should explain why he rejects it. If he says, "Well, I was going to, but..." it's okay, if he says, "Uh, no, it's perfect" it makes him look like, "Uh, no, my models are awesome, so you should think that too"

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Um Emon, this guy has never claimed to be a god of modeling. You're just a dip****. Or a troll.

Maybe both.

Yeah, probably both.

You do this on practically every thread. Methinks YOU have the ego problem, buddy.

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OH snap.

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I didn't say he claimed to be one, I mean that's how he acts. It's like he refuses to think that there's anything wrong or with his model and that it doesn't need improvement.

And I don't do this in nearly every thread.

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Just like to point out that the model does, indeed, look like several boxes stuck together. It needs a lot of work - someone posted reference pics in this thread, and I highly suggest you make use of them.

Despite my qualms about the bluntness in how Emon delivers his message, he is right. It doesn't matter how the critism is delivered, if you're going to model/map/whatever, you need to be able to realize that you're blinded in regard to your own work, and other people's opinions are very valuable. It's important to focus on the criticism and not the specific words used - everyone has their own style. Some people are brash and abrasive - who cares? Learn to get along with them. Don't let people get to you.

<3 Jipe

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

I disagree. While Emon may be correct, he has no reason to say it like he's superior to everyone.

Emon tends to be rude/mean in his "constructive" criticism. It is not neccessary and is designed to provoke.


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Subtle belittling posts aren't needed.
What is good is un-biased constructive criticism without some condescending remark about the person who's showcasing their work, rather than what they're showing off

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m u r t a

Let me just meantion I've been to 3 different threads in the past 5 minutes, and the same thing in both, Emon vs. Friend14. While I'd like to see Friend14 loose an argument every day, I'd like to see it done in a thread OTHER then the showcase threads, because it's sickening. You 2 need to take your qualms out somewhere other then the last half of a thread, and let the thread die, or get more critiscism, but don't turn it into a boxing ring. It's not meant to be a boxing ring, it's meant to be for DP. Some people that hadn't even posted before are ONLY posting about your little fights, and that's wrong. It's called thread hijacking. I'm on Emon's side of this one, but I still say you both would be banned from the forums, until you solved your problem of thread hijacking, if I had it my way.

DP, show us some new screenshots, please.

JediKirby

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This is so freaking stupid... another thread ruined. Now i am starting to see why correction is leaving... this is idiocty at its worst. If you wanna ***** at easchother, do it in email... no one ****ing cares about it on the forums.

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Very true, a lot of you just need to grow up. Fighting over the internet is just "lame" in itself.

Well, the model looks a little too simple to me....i guess complexity is not needed though. Something about the barrel, and where the barrel meets the rest of the gun just doesn't seem right as well.

looks good. keeping it simple. in probaly runs well in game. but it needs something. just a little more.

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than that means that every one can't be some one because if every one is some one then no one can be any one..."

Okay, you're right, I was so arrogant! I can't believe I gave him some constructive comments in an attempt to help the guy, how rude of me! I should have said something like, "OMG D))D THATS TEH GRETEST MODEAL EVAR!!!!!!! OMG I LUV U!!!" Man I can't believe spending my time to help others made me arrogant, how foolish of me!

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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.

Hehe, there is one in JO already, too.. i don't see the use in making another one...

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In case you didn't notice in the post above; my English teacher is NOT my best friend...

What about for practice? There's not some rule that states that everything you model must be put in-game, unless I'm mistaken.

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hehe, srry, wasn't smart enough to think that up, i guess.. Still, you can compare it to the original model for accuray then..

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In case you didn't notice in the post above; my English teacher is NOT my best friend...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wtf?

The ONLY reason I quoted Emon in this tread is because the comment he made is the same one he and many others (Darko is known for this) believe. They ARE arrogant and think that they are right no matter what. Emon and the others (including yourself) don't seem to realize that the editor might have something else in mind. They probably have a **** good reason for rejecting your ideas.

Example:


Now, as we can see here, at no point did Jipe consider that perhaps Descent_pilot wasn't going for "accuracy." That perhaps he only wanted to slightly improve on the existing JK model. And in looking at the model, we can clearly see that it is more detailed, and thus an improvement of the much blockier original.

The best comment I've seen on this thread was this one:



He didn't say, "Oh your model is terribly inaccurate." He commented the scale of the trigger is inaccurrate as compared to the rest of the gun. As an editor, THAT is a constructive comment as it is very important to get all the scaling of your model accurate. It is not constructive to say that it doesn't look imperial. I'm sure he knows that. He's improving on an existing design, the one created by LEC. You may WANT him to do a more "accurate" design, but that might not be what he's looking to accomplish in his model.

If he WAS going for accuracy, then yes, using the reference pictures and pointing out size and scaling issues would be very important to him. But that's obviously not applicable here.

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[This message has been edited by Friend14 (edited August 06, 2003).]

you need to learn the difference between constructive and un-necessary/insultive

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Emon: Your first posts were good. Your other posts bothering to quarel with Friend14 were unescisary. That's all I'm saying.

Friend14: What in the world are you talking about!? All I said was that you need to stop picking people off in the thread and focus on the model, No, don't focus on what people SAY about the model, JUST THE MODEL. You need to stop bickering, and comment on DP's model, or don't talk. Poor DP isn't getting any oppinions. And also, you can't expect people to hold back their opinions. If someone thinks it should be to scale... then they have a right to sugest that. DP doesn't have to take anyones specific opinion, but that doesn't mean these opinions aren't valid.

DP: Give us a signal if we should let this thread die, or expect more out of the thread. Right now it's a usless pile of Friend14 and Friend14 haters fighting, and it's annoying. Can you PLEASE post something to get us back on task?

JediKirby

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