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Kyle's new fro! (and hi-def face)
2004-08-26, 1:29 PM #1
Yes! Kyle now has the flat-hair look! [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]

The second Kyle head I've been working on (first one was a serious bust [http://forums.massassi.net/html/redface.gif] -- at least on this one it doesn't look like someone plopped a turd on top of his head)

Ears are crap, I know, but the whole thing (well, except possibly some small changes on the face) is still a work in progress. Later he will get new (external) hands as well (I hope).

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/14801.jpg]

Criticism please. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

(I will also see if this "flat-hair" looks better on Jerec -- ho hair [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] )

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2004-08-26, 1:40 PM #2
Well it certainly is interesting. Im sure with new textures it would look nicer.

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2004-08-26, 2:29 PM #3
Head needs to be just a bit bigger to fit with the body.

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2004-08-26, 3:59 PM #4
Yeah, the head is a tad small.
Other than that , your head model > LEC's

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2004-08-26, 4:03 PM #5
Didn't he have more of a beard than what you portray?

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2004-08-26, 5:01 PM #6
The original skin didn't really have much of a beard even though the actor who played Kyle in the cut scenes did

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2004-08-26, 5:04 PM #7
I also notice the body is high poly, but the neck should NOT just be a cylinder, try moving some vertices in the cylinder to make the throat and other portions of the neck.

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2004-08-27, 1:23 AM #8
You bring out the best in Kyle. I think the ears a better than you give them credit for.

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2004-08-27, 4:59 AM #9
wow.....I see some REALLY bad polyflow. looks ok if you dont care about it shading very uglisious, but id suggest fixing it >_<

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2004-08-27, 5:02 AM #10
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2004-08-27, 7:30 AM #11
Brilliant.

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2004-08-27, 8:02 AM #12
Looks like the head is too wide, and the ears are too big... other than that, it's cool

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2004-08-27, 11:08 AM #13
Lol. Kyle with ears, that made my day. Hahaha! Nicely done.

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2004-08-27, 11:24 AM #14
Push the verts that form his upper cheek bones in a bit, and the face will look great. Then, add some more depth to the hair. Don't make it just part of the face. Right now it looks like he has a receding hair line.

Great work so far, keep it up. It's high time somebody updated Kyle. Now if we can just get someone to do 16bit textures. [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

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2004-08-27, 11:51 AM #15
Glad to see you got a laugh ProAni [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif]
(I find it funny myself, not because of the ears, but the head shape and the way the hair is so flat and such makes Kyle really look like one of my friends from school [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] )

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY:
I also notice the body is high poly, but the neck should NOT just be a cylinder, try moving some vertices in the cylinder to make the throat and other portions of the neck.

JediKirby</font>


I hadn't thought of that... not a bad idea.

Oh yes, Avenger speaks truth about Kyle in the cuts v. the game model.


Now here's Jerec's face slapped on the model [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] .
What do you all think (meaning, does this model head look better as Jerec than Kyle)? (btw, please disregard teh poor stitiching)
I will continue to work on the model this afternoon, taking into account the various suggestions made.

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/14804.jpg]

[edit]wow, I spent a while taking/uploading the picture before posting [http://forums.massassi.net/html/eek.gif] -- I didn't see the last post

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2004-08-27, 5:35 PM #16
Didja see my funny post!? I just want attention :GBK:

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2004-08-27, 7:39 PM #17
either lower the eyes or raise the to pof his head. his eyes should be in the middle of his head.

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2004-08-27, 8:02 PM #18
The chin is also kind of boney.

(I'd like to note, all of this criticism is a good thing. You've got a great start, it just needs some work)

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2004-08-28, 4:50 AM #19
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/14807.jpg]

Any better?

And, yes, the criticism is good [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif] -- that's one of the reasons I usually post my stuff

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2004-08-28, 5:15 AM #20
Ooh, much thinner/better. Fix the texture inconsistency with the hair, though.

And what's your Screen Name, you seem to be on right now, Slaw. Mine is Grismath (dur).

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2004-08-28, 5:31 AM #21
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And what's your Screen Name, you seem to be on right now, Slaw. Mine is Grismath (dur).</font>

What says I'm on? Like an IM thingie or something? (you'll have to excuse me, because I don't know much about IM/MSN/etc [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif] ) I'm only logged onto massassi rignt now anyway. Cable modem is connected all the time; maybe that has something to do with it...

Well, as far as I can remember, I haven't signed onto anything as anything other than:
"Darth Slaw" (massassi and its forums)
"darthslaw" (IC)
"darthslaw_2" (Zone.com -- it said "darthslaw" was taken :\ )
"archduke_of_slaw" (MSN group name)
"atomic_booger" (webelements.com)
"Joe Smith" (tvguide.com, and in a technichal help email to Battle.net)

(Yes, my naming is SO original [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif] [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] )

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2004-08-28, 5:47 AM #22
Ohter than that's not at all what Kyle looks like, that's ok for JK1.
2004-08-28, 5:50 AM #23
The throat looks much better, but the ears need re-aligning. Note that most people'sears are on the exact same horizontal as their eyes. The two should line up.

And I'm thinking grismath was simple observing that you're quick to respond, thus he figured you must be currently online, too.

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2004-08-28, 5:51 AM #24
that looks alot better.
good job.

something about the eyes doesn't look right, like they're tilted or something.

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2004-08-28, 12:14 PM #25
[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/14809.jpg]
Maybe this pic will help you figure it out djwguitarman
and Obi, I think they look pretty similar (not exact but one can tell it's Kyle)
Kyle vs. mirror clone -- who will win? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/wink.gif] [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif]

also, I was also messing with the arms, and so I copied the rshoulder, Flip(x)ed it, and just didn't bother to delete the extra shoulderpad; it will be gone when I'm done with the model.

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2004-08-28, 2:08 PM #26
The old Kyle just doesn't compare. Fantastic work!

And the old head does look better on Jerec.

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2004-08-28, 2:43 PM #27
Great job, Slaw! You always seem to excel at patching up all of LEC's little "misdemeanors"... [http://forums.massassi.net/html/rolleyes.gif]

Anyway, the head (and hair) looks much more realistic, and I notice that the shoulder pauldron looks much better as well (did you just scale the textures up? - if so, it's a marked improvement, makes the shoulder pauldron much less grainy)! Again, I congratulate you for fixing up Kyle. He just needs better clothes now (look at the SBX 16-bit Kyle for some ideas). [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

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2004-08-28, 2:46 PM #28
Wait, actually after reevaluating that picture I can think of something that would look much better if you changed it - Kyle's nose. It's much too pointy, makes him look like Pinnochio. I'd suggest you round it off at the end, it won't cost many polys but it will make him look much more realistic and Kyle-like.

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2004-08-28, 3:52 PM #29
Ok, I'll fix the nose (and the ears).

Speaking of the nose, the old Kyle (LEC's), the facial expression kind of makes it look like he's trying to get something out of his nose 0_o [http://forums.massassi.net/html/biggrin.gif] . The new one seems to be grinning (almost), at least from the front; I didn't notice either before...

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2004-08-28, 4:02 PM #30
for some reason, the new kyle looks like a kid

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2004-08-28, 5:31 PM #31
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for some reason, the new kyle looks like a kid
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Its because the face is so rounded, lost all of the manly chizles. The head is out of proportion from the body also. Otherwise it looks good, but it still has work to go.

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2004-08-28, 5:31 PM #32
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for some reason, the new kyle looks like a kid*

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* It's all the plastic surgery.

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2004-08-28, 6:23 PM #33
Redo the area just around the eye so that the portion between his eyelid and his eyebrow is a slanted surface. Right now (From your wireframe) his eyes are on the same or share the same edge with his eyebrows. As well, A flatter chin would give him back the chizzeled look. Do this by pulling the jaw vertices down, not the chin vertex up. Doing all of the above will give him a manlier face.

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2004-08-28, 8:08 PM #34
You may want to redefine his cheek bones, make them a little bigger. His face does narrow too quickly for Kyle.

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2004-08-28, 8:11 PM #35
You made him look younger. O_o

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2004-08-29, 6:53 AM #36
i don't like the lips, seem too pointy
but he look much more suave now

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2004-08-29, 8:39 AM #37
I don't think he looks anymore like Kyle.

[http://www.starwars.jp/character/image/kyle_katarn.jpg]

Btw. am I the only one who thinks that the old Kyle looks like Adolf Hitler?

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2004-08-29, 8:49 AM #38
yes

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2004-08-29, 9:11 AM #39
But why does the new Kyle have two sholder pads.


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2004-08-29, 9:27 AM #40
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Btw. am I the only one who thinks that the old Kyle looks like Adolf Hitler?

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