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Sprites and particles, or sprite particles?
2004-12-23, 10:38 AM #1
Due to the no thing limit, we can make our own particle systems out of sprites and 3dos :D Heres some stuff we are working on for tdir.

[http://www.hellraiser64.com/tdir/screenshots/Screenshots/dust_test.gif]

Here is HR testing out my dust sprite/particles in game. When these "die" they will spawn smaller ones.

[http://www.hellraiser64.com/tdir/screenshots/Screenshots/new_beam.jpg]

And testing out the new beams!
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2004-12-23, 11:07 AM #2
wow...
wow...
wow...wow...
wowow...
:eek:
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2004-12-23, 2:27 PM #3
Thats looks really kick ***... keep up the awesome work, if the explosion you showed ealier is half as good as these... nice.
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2004-12-23, 3:27 PM #4
Quote:
Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
wow...
wow...
wow...wow...
wowow...
:eek:



Quoted for truth.
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2004-12-23, 4:05 PM #5
Love the smoke!

On the other hand, the transission from beam to end of beam is a bit too obvious to see at the moment. (not that I'd be able to do any better. >.>;;)
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2004-12-23, 4:28 PM #6
:eek: O.M.G. :eek:
Sweet!!!!!
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2004-12-23, 6:48 PM #7
So much new JK technology is coming out of this mod. I love waiting for updates. How do the transparent sprites affect the framerate?
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2004-12-23, 11:52 PM #8
Not at all because they're a triangle face. (helps with transparency clipping too!)
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-24, 12:10 AM #9
Quote:
Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
wow...
wow...
wow...wow...
wowow...
:eek:
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2004-12-24, 12:52 AM #10
[http://www.hellraiser64.com/tdir/screenshots/Screenshots/coughcough.jpg]

And this shows the dust particle-3dosprites acting more like kickup from an explosion, expanding in every direction randomly. :) There's well over 400 of them in that particular screenshot, all transparenty with nary a clip, and no signs of framerate loss what so ever.

Gets kinda thick don't it? :D

[It actually only takes about 100 to create that thick of dust, I was just repeatedly firing out 100 at a time to see how much FPS I could loose :o At 10000 viewable, JK slowed to about 15FPS]
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-24, 1:17 AM #11
I love you. Why all the sudden is everything looking so much better? New models and sprites or what you call these? And what is this no thing limit, what does it mean to a non-JED editor?
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2004-12-24, 1:24 AM #12
Quote:
Originally posted by drizzt2k2
I love you. Why all the sudden is everything looking so much better? New models and sprites or what you call these?


Because Shred went to college. :D

Quote:
And what is this no thing limit, what does it mean to a non-JED editor?


:eek: You've no idea about the no thing limit? It's rather long and a bit of a read.

What do ya mean by non-JED editor? Someone who makes levels in JKEdit?
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-24, 7:21 AM #13
And now it shrinks away! (except for the file size of this gif :o )

[http://www.hellraiser64.com/Pics/dustshrink.gif]
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-24, 8:08 AM #14
As much as I hate DBZ, I'll be playing this :D


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2004-12-24, 10:08 AM #15
Quote:
THE ONLY TC THAT WILL ACTUALLY LIVE!


I'll have to disagree with that. :)

How exactly did you prevent the clipping, Hellraiser?

I've always seen trouble with any more than two tranparencies on top of one another...
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2004-12-24, 10:27 AM #16
Is the engine making it transparent, or did you do the black pixel trick in the mat itself?
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2004-12-24, 11:01 AM #17
Black pixel trick?

When I originally made the 3do, it was 2 faces (a square) What happened what that one face would dissapear randomly when it tried to render the one behind it, which would cut the sprite in half. So I mapped it onto one triangle. The "flicker" still remains, but since its rendering the whole thing or not its not noticeable.
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2004-12-24, 12:01 PM #18
The black pixel trick was used by spiral for his lab hud I think.

Basically, since the JK engine can be told to not render the black pixels, if every other pixel is black then the image looks transparent.
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2004-12-24, 2:09 PM #19
But what is a THING? Is it a model?? An animation??
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2004-12-24, 2:34 PM #20
eh? the 3do
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2004-12-24, 10:12 PM #21
A Thing (when refering to JK) is an entity, aka, player, weapon projectile, explosions, ect.
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-25, 5:03 AM #22
That looks damn good for JK.
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2004-12-25, 11:48 PM #23
The shrinking away looks a bit like bubbles...The blending isn't additive is it?
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2004-12-26, 12:18 AM #24
Yea, the bubbles dont look too great but other than that it is awesome.
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2004-12-26, 1:08 AM #25
If I can coax Shred into it, I'd like to have another model or two with a different texture, so I can animate it a little better. ;)
-Hell Raiser
2004-12-26, 2:34 PM #26
Emon, no way to control blending. It's just JK's basic translucency. The algorithm for which I haven't been able to figure out. It seems to be a form of averaging. 50% gray I'll note (128), in JK's translucency is practically invisible (useful for glass).
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2004-12-28, 2:01 PM #27
[http://www.hellraiser64.com/tdir/screenshots/Screenshots/newaura3.jpg]

Our new auras. We're trying to make them look more like the shows, the spikes are animated.
Jedi Knight Enhanced
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2004-12-28, 2:41 PM #28
I've found that if you use the _ghoststruct parent template, flag each 3do surface to 'blocks light' AND give them all and EXTRA LIGHT of 1, then in JED, add the THINGFLAGS value (default add value) and uncheck all and then check 'Prelit', you can have as many trans as you want with no flickering. This doesn't matter rather you use transparency, trancluceny, or a combination of the two.

(PS, the EXTRA LIGHT thing is optional, if you want it to react to dynamic lights, choose another value between 0 and 1. I can't remember off the top of my head as to rather it's supposed to be flagged as archi. or not...I'll check on it when I get home.)
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2004-12-28, 5:06 PM #29
Interesting..
I cant seem to get it to work. what is the "blocks light" flag for 3do faces? I can only find it i adjoin flags.
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2004-12-28, 5:23 PM #30
I would assume not architecture Friend14. From my tests, I've found that the architecture flag causes an HOM effect in translucent 3do's. Removing the flag removed HOM. (Though interesting to note if you wanted to say, create a predator character :) )
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2004-12-28, 7:17 PM #31
I always use the decor flag for stationary transluscent 3DOs...

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2004-12-29, 4:51 AM #32
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Originally posted by LKOH_SniperWolf
I would assume not architecture Friend14. From my tests, I've found that the architecture flag causes an HOM effect in translucent 3do's. Removing the flag removed HOM. (Though interesting to note if you wanted to say, create a predator character :) )


Actually, the only difference is rather the shadows get rendered flat or smooth. I think if you flagged it, it's shaded flat; and if you don't flag it, it's shaded smooth. I didn't get a chance to test it last night, but tonight I should.

Quote:
Originally posted by Shred18:
I cant seem to get it to work. what is the "blocks light" flag for 3do faces? I can only find it i adjoin flags.


Yes, it's under Adjoin Flags.
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2004-12-29, 7:49 AM #33
Quote:
Actually, the only difference is rather the shadows get rendered flat or smooth. I think if you flagged it, it's shaded flat; and if you don't flag it, it's shaded smooth. I didn't get a chance to test it last night, but tonight I should.


No, it causes HOM. I've double-checked. It only causes HOM within the translucent faces of the 3do. Architecture flag (0x8), it seems was never meant to be used on translucent objects. It affects how objects are rendered behind a translucent object though (Check DM). For a while I assumed it was an error with Jed (translucency HOM). But from testing I've found the cause to be the 0x8 flag. It's not exactly the regular HOM, but more a shimmering/fading type, if that makes much sense.
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2004-12-29, 7:57 AM #34
I've haven't worried about it since I never use it (so that the shadowing is smooth). It's the same for non-trans objects.

Quote:
Originally posted by LKOH_SniperWolf
It affects how objects are rendered behind a translucent object though (Check DM).


Use the 'Prelit' +THINGVALUE flag and 'Blocks Light' +Adjoin flag. I haven't extensively tested it yet, but so far, using two solid sphears encased in slightly larger trans sphears, I can look through the edge of the first sphear and see the second sphear set rendered perfectly (no flickering, clipping, or anything of that nature). Not sure what it is about those flags (they're the least likelies to fix this problem) but they do the trick perfectly.
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2004-12-30, 5:42 PM #35
Quote:
There's well over 400 of them in that particular screenshot, all transparenty with nary a clip.


1 word question, how? The more detailed, how did you get it so they didn't have any transparency clippings, because the archi flag (thingflag 0x8), as you said, removed the HOM, but does it also remove teh clipping if it is not present?
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2004-12-30, 9:27 PM #36
If you could make a short tutorial on this, I might be able to include nebulas when I get my ship cog finished.
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2004-12-31, 1:26 AM #37
Descent, you mixed posts there.

I mentioned the 0x8 Archi flag. I've found that when applied to translucent objects, it causes a form of HOM.

As for the nonclipping, that was Hellraiser. According to Shred, it was done by having the 3do's as a single triangular face.
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2004-12-31, 9:24 AM #38
I know it's already been redone once, but those ground textures are about the only thing in the shot that tell me this is for JK. Not to mention how pointy the ground is. If you did the grounds in higher polys, and maybe scaled down the textures, it'd look a bit better, and would fit the player models as well.

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2004-12-31, 10:58 AM #39
well, yeah..

But thats the old version. Hr just uses it for testing. see :)

[http://www.hellraiser64.com/tdir/screenshots/Screenshots/newsky.jpg]
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2004-12-31, 12:50 PM #40
yay!

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