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2005-05-18, 2:25 PM #81
So I downloaded the video:

Along the lines of the voice acting, I'd say it's pretty good, but some of Vader's lines could be less... stretched out. Vader tends to have a VERY particular way of speaking. This vader seemed lazy and laxed in speech.

The heavy breathing was OBVIOUSLY the same breathing over and over again. And it was still going on when he was speaking. That doesn't seem right some how.

Sidius' mouth is very very wide... Not to mention, he looks nothing like the emperor in my opinion. But hey, that's me.

I only offer criticism; in all seriousness, that was absolutelly fantastic.

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2005-05-18, 2:33 PM #82
vader's lines need to be spoken with less drawn out r's at the end of words "masterrrrr".
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2005-05-18, 3:14 PM #83
Thanks for the comments. I'm very happy with the voices myself, but DAK (perfectionist as he is) would probably be interested in hearing these comments. If he decides to redo them, that's up to him but I think it sounds great as it is.

As for Vader's breathing, the same sound over and over again is the only way I can really do it and basically the way it is in the movies. Also, Vader does breathe while talking. I remember when I made BoaM3, the cutscene scripts were written so Vader stops breathing every time he says a line, after the level was released I noticed that in the movies the breathing carries on as he speaks, so I fixed it for the BoaMSE release.
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2005-05-18, 6:56 PM #84
My only complain is that Vader's voice isn't low enough.
2005-05-18, 9:15 PM #85
James Earl Jones' and Vader's voice (one and the same) aren't as deep as you might think. Listen to him some time.
Vader's voice was too deep in BoaM, and it was pretty obvious...
...but short of becoming, James Earl Jones, himself - I don't think it's gonna get any closer than that...

If necessary, Anthony can drop the pitch a notch or two.
And DET: That's how James Earl Jones talks. I should know I've been studying his voice since BoaM 3...

...But I could be wrong.:rolleyes:
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2005-05-18, 11:16 PM #86
Following what Det mentioned, I think the voice would need a slight English-like accent for it to sound right. That's what James Earl Jones seems to have, or at least, he seems to for certain parts (like Vader's voice). Hopefully that would fix things like the R's. If you can't do that, then it's probably good enough.

Never mind... I just re-listened to it and it does seem to have the accent, just not on certain words.
2005-05-19, 12:42 AM #87
English accent? He's from Nebraska (or somewhere)...
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2005-05-19, 12:58 AM #88
I know, but his speech sounds almost British/English in certain parts he's played. He may not speak like that regularly. It may just be his Southern accent, seeing as how he's from Mississippi. I haven't really met anyone from the South as I'm not from the USA, so I don't know.

If memory serves, I think he mentions the origins of his voice with all the different roots he had, in that documentary "Empire of Dreams".
2005-05-19, 10:10 AM #89
I just saw the video--- it definitely reminded me of the conference between vader and palpy from ESB.

Palpatine's face definitely needs more wrinkles--in the cutscene, he looks too pre-episode 3. By the end of episode 3, Palpy's face looks like hell, and this is set after that. Also, palpy has really yellow eyes. (You can see them in ROTJ), you might want to yellow up Palpy's eyes for this cutscene since it is a close-up shot.
2005-05-21, 2:54 AM #90
Check out these impressive concept shots that gana over at Map Review came up with for the Emperor cutscene:

http://www.placepublique.org/blogs/gana/6fTRW6hc.gif

http://www.placepublique.org/blogs/gana/m5p24B9b.gif

And CodjaX came up with this for a possible load screen or poster:

http://img263.echo.cx/img263/2678/m5p24b9b9sw.jpg

What do you lot think? Should I keep the ESB style Emperor hologram, or make him normal size?
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2005-05-21, 7:14 AM #91
Go with the concept shots, those are freakin awesome.
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2005-05-21, 7:49 AM #92
NOOOoooo!
2005-05-21, 8:20 AM #93
I noticed that you did new style menus. If you'd like a brand new layout so it doesn't just look like a recolored JA menu, PM me. We'll talk about possible concepts and come up with something better.
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2005-05-21, 9:59 AM #94
I <3 it, btw
2005-05-21, 1:19 PM #95
Quote:
Originally posted by Tazz
I noticed that you did new style menus. If you'd like a brand new layout so it doesn't just look like a recolored JA menu, PM me. We'll talk about possible concepts and come up with something better.


Cool, thanks for the offer. Have you got any more menus you've made that you can show me?
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2005-05-21, 1:26 PM #96
I think having the Emperor's hologram larger would make him more menacing. And cool.
2005-05-21, 1:40 PM #97
Funnily enough, I just made him smaller.

I gave him a more upright standing animation, but the camera was basically looking up his nose and the top of his head was chopped off frame. I shrunk it a little bit and it looks much better.
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2005-05-21, 9:15 PM #98
Quote:
Originally posted by AKPiggott
Cool, thanks for the offer. Have you got any more menus you've made that you can show me?


Umm, I'll mess with it a bit and make it work. I can mock up some concepts so you can see what we can do.
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2005-05-22, 1:57 AM #99
Yeah that sounds good, something to start with. Thanks.
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2005-05-28, 12:59 AM #100
Sith Lord completely redid Palpatine's facial textures. Here's an update to the Emperor hologram:

[http://www.massassi.net/ec/images/15971.jpg]
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2005-05-28, 1:22 AM #101
Oh awesome!
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2005-05-28, 2:36 AM #102
yeah this one looks very cool :)
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2005-05-28, 8:38 AM #103
Very true to the films, too.
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2005-05-28, 8:46 AM #104
Pretty awesome, the face looks much more true to the actor and the movies now. My only suggestion for improvement in this scene is perhaps making the emperor a little bit more translucent. Shouldn't we be able to see those red bars of light behind his head since he is, after all, a hologram?
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2005-05-28, 8:53 AM #105
Wasn't he bluescale in the movies?
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2005-05-28, 8:59 AM #106
Mister Piggot already explained that earlier that he wasn't translucent due to model restrictions (seeing outline of the head true cape and such)

And I agree though that he should be blue scaled since all SW holograms are bluescaled. (on the other hand, the red tint he has now sure fits nicely into the scene.)

Either way, thats a brilliant improvement on the emperor, as could as you can get with the model.
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2005-05-28, 9:47 AM #107
Happy SotD!
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2005-05-28, 10:05 AM #108
I like how you pulled off the translucent feel even though it isn't. By the way, the skin looks MUCH better now and very cool I might add.
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2005-05-28, 3:23 PM #109
I think the Vader voice is fine and the Emperor voice rocks. The only thing about Vader's voicework, as has been mentioned before, that I kind of nitpick is the Master line.

Probably just me but I kind of listen to it and hear, "MastER."
Real emphasis on the er part, but I listen to it over and its less noticeable.

Regardless, its great.
2005-05-28, 8:56 PM #110
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2005-05-28, 10:26 PM #111
Heres a couple shots not as a hologram

[http://img77.echo.cx/img77/4069/sidious0lu.jpg]

[http://img267.echo.cx/img267/3043/emperor6um.jpg]

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2005-05-29, 1:48 PM #112
Yeap, thats simply outstanding Sith
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2005-05-29, 3:26 PM #113
From strait on does the robe cover his eyes? It should.
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2005-05-29, 4:21 PM #114
If it doesn't, I can't do anything about it, it's not my model. besides it can't completely cover his eyes or he couldn't see! And I don't wanna hear about this force jibber jabber!
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2005-05-29, 5:03 PM #115
I could probably edit it for you if you can export it into some usable format. I can transfer it back, too.
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2005-05-29, 5:35 PM #116
No thanks, like I said it's not my model, so I have no right to edit that. but I was one of the original skinners sooo...textures is all I do

Ingame shots

[http://img270.echo.cx/img270/1829/emp25sk.jpg]
[http://img270.echo.cx/img270/8095/emp33kx.jpg]
[http://img270.echo.cx/img270/2493/emp42hv.jpg]
[http://img270.echo.cx/img270/2128/sid15fl.jpg]
[http://img270.echo.cx/img270/4430/sid24cy.jpg]

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2005-05-29, 6:15 PM #117
Simply put, that looks ****ing amazing.

The voice acting is top notch as well. The only line I thought that could use reworking is "It shall be done, my master". It didn't sound Vader-ish to me, especially the pronunciation of "master".
2005-05-29, 8:03 PM #118
mistar sith, whats with the holes in mistar palp's hood?
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2005-05-29, 9:28 PM #119
I've been trying to figure that one out as well, It doesn't seem to want to draw the texture for the inside of the hood, therefor making it transparent. It was like that in the original release as well. I'd fix it other than the fact that I know nothing about making models, just painting and replacing textures.

but I'm done hijacking anthonys thread, this is about his level, not my updated textures that will be featured in the level.
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2005-05-29, 9:37 PM #120
1. The missing surfaces are probably just that - surfaces were put on the outside and not on the inside and not set to draw on both sides in the shader. Which maybe you can fix in JA with a shader, but it could be corrupt in the model.

2. Yes, holograms were blue with a green tint in the movies. They didn't have that force field glow around them, they were just blue/teal-ish with scanlines.
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