Yeah that's about right Quib.... but I think Kirby is dead set on HIS stock design.

Kirby: how about redesigning the stock so that it looks like a combination of yours and the original's?. For instance, leave the original stock as-is, but add another bar above it (where yours is), and then connect the 2 bars in the back? Eh, I wish I had more time to give you something more visual....

(beleeted ugly irrelavent image)

Of course, I'd much prefer the original..... yours kinda looks like a crutch handle.

I think that's key. Because "repeater" seems like it describes a class of weapons anyway.

Even if you are following the second approach, you don't have to remake all the silly mistakes.
I like jEDIkIRBY's design a lot. The barrel part could maybe be a bit shorter, but other than that I prefer it a thousand times over the JK one.
I fear that it's nostalgia, which is holding people back. If that's true, it will be very hard for the new engine, because it WILL look different than original JK. I'm not sure if everyone around here understands that.

My humble opinion: Combine the suggestions that Quib made with the last suggestion of Halucid (for the stock that combines your stock and the LEC repeater stock) (the LEC stock never really looked that good nor useful anyway)

OR just keep it as it is now, if you wish.

The only reason I mentioned it not looking like the DF in the first place was because I misread as 'adding realism by making it look like the DF repeater'.

If you're being picky with JKRebirth.. don't be.

It's going to look great. But, as from some of the models and screenshots I've seen, it isn't going to be very true to the original. I've said millions of times, looks at Shred's Kyle model. Very nice, high-poly, but looks nothing like kyle.

I'm going to love this mod for it's graphical update, but I would make it a shrine if it was true to the original JK.

Back on topic. That repeater is the sweetest thing I've ever seen! It may not look EXACTLY like the original, but it's amazing. I love Kirby's weapon models

Kirb's is the Imperial Repeater Mark III. It looks very good... Really reminds me of UT2K4s assault rifle (the in-game POV).

I'd suggest just removing some of its bulk. The grip/powercell area underneath the barrels makes it a tad too chunky. Merge it upwards a bit, and I bet you'll see a lot of the criticism disappear because despite the stock, the main difference if the thickness of it. I like your stock, btw.

Dark Forces Repeater changed for JK, why shouldn't JK's change for this mod?

Please keep in mind jEDIkIRBY that I liked your original interpretation of the repeater the best (the one with small left hand grip inside the center region of the gun). I simply did up that image to try to analyze the structure of the DF and JK repeaters.

The only other things I'd like to point out (especially if you are going for a DF repeater style) is the strip of metal riveted to the top of the gun (the texture for a similar strip of metal is on the top of the JK repeater as well) and the wideness of the DF repeater at its base. The DF POV sprite makes the gun out to be very fat, maybe even twice as wide at the base as you have it.

An ugly ascii interpretation of the back of the DF repeater. The proportions aren't too bad... the parenthesis mark about where I think the center of the firing barrels should be, which is where you have them. The odd cylinder on the upper right of the gun in the DF POV sprite might be a spinning heatsink/gear that rotates the firing barrels and draws heat out of them in the process.

QM

I like this new idea for the stock. A functional design, and it would look really really good. I think I could even get used to the rest of it as it is now if the stock looked better.

Nostalgia is the whole point of making a graphical update for an outdated game, though. If you're remaking JK, you should remake it like JK. This is not JK's repeater. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for taking artistic license with your modelling, but when your goal (and what a lot of the fans want) is to make a high-def version of JK's original models, then artistic license should be at a minimum. You should remain true to the base of the project, not go off on your own tangent. Take movies based on books, for example. Though usually excellent movies by themselves, they usually have very little to do with the story that they're based off of, which irritates a lot of the fans who want to see the classic story on the big screen. Likewise, while this is an excellent model, a lot of us want to see the original repeater remade, not a brand new repeater as a replacement.

I've decided to remake the gun again. I only have a few questions that I need opinions on. First off, is how the 3 barrel thing works. I'm going to have 3 barrels on a rotating piston mounted off to the right of the model. How, then, would the other 2 projectiles exit the gun? I find it hard to believe that the ammo cell is drained from 2 different locations.

The worst part about this gun is that none of it makes sense. Why have a rotating piston for an energy weapon? Why have a head grill that covers none of the barrels? How do you load the power cell into the gun?

Now I know none of you probably care that the gun looks like it'd be able to work, but when you don't have much to work with visually, you tend to want to stick to what you know, and work between those lines. That's what I did from the beginning with my original design, this design, and another design that I never even showcased. I need all of your help to make the gun make sense to me so I can give it appealing and realistic looking edges, details, etc. That's why it's an update. I'm updating the model so it ISN'T a few boxes pushed together with some gun sounds. I'm giving it a new, realistic flare that details on what was undetailable before.

JediKirby

Ok.... in further thought, I'm thinking part that is hanging out of the right side is NOT part of the rotating barrel.... I think it's actually part of the power cell coil area... and possibly the cell itself is what we see hanging out the right side.

Perhaps it's loaded on the right side, which charges the yellow power coils. A coil's charge is depleated after each shot and has has to take a second to recharge... thats why there's several coils.... the more coils, the faster the fire rate can be. That could also account for the delay when using secondary fire.... since it depleates 3 coils, and all 3 must be recharged before firing again....

Anyway... that way, you can keep your barrel where it was originally... You're right, it does make a lot more sense oriented that way.

Heres a quick and dirty sketch of how I'd make a repeater.... if I were as Cr@zY as you!

I like hal's idea since it gives a reason to have the barrel rotate. The barrel could rotate from one set of coils to another so that it wouldn't have to wait for a recharge. Just have a whole bunch of power coils that the barrel rotates between. (I would like to also see the fatter repeater that actually looked like a triangle like in DF.)

Not entirely what I meant.... but close enough. You see, if it functioned that way, the coils would also have to move (on a chain inside it's casing) so that the align perfectly with the corisponding barrel.... which might actually look sweet.... the barrel rotating one way while the cell coil chan sides the opposite direction.... hmmmm...

Get online so i can ask you more questions about your design...

Screenshot from the DF for JA mod's website (it looks similar to halucid's sketch).
http://darkforces.jediknight.net/screenshots/models/weapon/06.jpg

QM

halucid's design ftw. I love it!

This entire thread has been quite controversial from the start.
I didn't see a huge resemblance to the original JK repeater but
I also didn't think that it was too bad of a model for a revamped
JK mod. I didn't agree completely with anyone about how the
gun should be because I liked how realisticly the new repeater
would opperate and I much perfered the DF repeater (which
seems a lot more powerful because of its broadness and large,
round, blue bullets instead of the puny anorexic version of the
gun with tiny yellow apple seeds shooting from it) but I also
thought it should more closely resemble the DF repeater.

Amidst all the controvery has come this awesome drawing of
Halucid's. I think it rocks both in operative theory and in looks!
I vote for his design.

In other words amen to what Daft said...

Jedi I, you don't need to press enter when you come to the end of a text box. Just keep typing. This has been said before. :p

Sorry. I'm not stupid and I know that I don't have to put a hard return after every line. I just like more consolidated paragraphs but if it bothers people so much that they put comments about it in people's threads then I will stop doing it.

I actually liked it. It seemed to represent you more than a signature does for anyone else. I would never have to read your name to know that you were posting it.

Agreed.


(And I vote yes for Halucid's drawing)

I'll second that.

I'm trying to think of something else to say now.
Ahh screw it. Kirby, I trust you to handle it.

I always like your gun models, this one just has more people to please. :p

I'm currently in the process of harvesting souls for the final version of this model. I've got halucid on the torture table, drawing me some more sketchorsizors, and I'm trying to find my DF disk to get a good look at the DF repeater. Then I'm going to do an end all model with no room for changes unless minimal. If you have any suggestions that haven't yet been stated, state them now, because I've lost a whole lot of patience on this model already. This is the 4th official remake, and about the 9th or 10th attempt on my HD.

JediKirby

Kirby, your stuff is awesome. I like all your models despite all the criticizm.
I really like the blue bullets though. It would make me extremely happy if
you used blue bullets.

halucid's design is excellent. Go for it :p

Halucid needs a trigger :p

Halucid's design. I'd like to see that beefier stock too.

Right side view, as per kIRBY's request:

Since everyone was picky enough to force the remake of this model, I guess it wouldn't hurt for me to say I am leaning right for the overall repeater design.

Yup, that's the design I'm using. Hand down. <3 Halucid!

Floating barrels [where there are 2 triangular plates at the end of the 3 barrels holding them together spins on its centrail axis] or the solid barrel that I made with the design at the beginning of the thread?

JediKirby

I vote for the solid barrel.

Bump, i need opinions before I model it at around 10

i just think it will look better with the space for the barrel being shorter like in his drawing (it will look wider then... i didnt like how the rotating part was long and skinny in the 1st version. looked more sniper-ish than something with HEAVY in the name)

so hopefully ill love it with the remodel.

I vote for the rotating barrels being one part - it doesn't really make sense to have only a middle part rotating. Plus it would explain the "cheese grill" (safety precaution) over the muzzle (please don't tell me it's supposed to be a suppressor for the muzzle flash).

Oh sorry kIRBY, I thought you knew.... It supposed to be a single rotating barrel with 3 shafts... it's the same design as your original, but shorter and beefier.

In my original sketch I was toying with the idea of having 3 separate barrels held together by 2 triangular plates and have it rotate.... I figured they should be separate to reduce heat conduction and speed cooling.... but then I changed my mind and went with your original barrel concept, since it looked sexier.

Remember... the barrel is shorter, but it's 40% longer than it looks from the side shot.... you see, the "L" shaped side pannels are obscuring it from view from the side. From the player's POV perspective, you should be able to see into that section, and see the barrel rotating clearly.

Also, I dunno if you're gunna be the one animating, but be sure to have the barrel's spin slow to stop when the trigger is released, while the cells stop cycling abruptly.

Thanks, I'm getting down to it right now.

This is just the imperial repeater. The heavy repeater is the gun in JO. It looks sorta like a beefy DF repeater except with more complete casing - no exposed moving parts.

[QUOTE=Joseph McCarthy]CONFORM[/QUOTE]

Talking about other people's typing habits in the showcase
forum is unacceptable. Nobody is showcasing their ability
to use / not use hard returns and should therefore not be
discussed here. If it really bothers you Thrawn, then open
up a thread in the discussion forum. It is a waste of this
thread. I will check the discussion forum. I urge that any
further posts of this nature on this thread be ignored.

p.s. McCarthy is a hypocrite

p.p.s. I'm not much of a conformist

p.p.p.s. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk (I really didn't mean
it like that and I do respect your oppinion but let's keep
our posts in check)

p.p.p.p.s. I'm not a communist either