however, I consider it a major breakthrough. I was able to keytrap the player's pitch.

Things to note:
1st, this is still my private work, don't copy, I want to release somethin bigger before I release the system to teh public.

2nd, d/l and take a look, screenies won't show anything.

3rd, works best with a joystick, since the system was originally designed to be implemented in something that would require one....

4th, as with above note, there will be some time for it to actually shift between directions, this part is correctionable, but I don't want it to be for the purpose it will serve.

5th, a funny lil thing, the readme text took up equal space as the level and cog (yes, just one cog) itself lol.

And as always, whatcha think?

What does it mean in terms of gameplay? I don't have jk to test this out here :/

As far as gameplay goes, it allows a cogger to transfer the specific motion of pitch, to lets say a mouse thing on the screen, allowing easier creation of ingame menus.

Err... Zeq and Co already made a cog that does this... there's an example menu thing floating around on jkhub that uses it.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.jkhub.net/library/index.php?title=Resources:Menu_Mouse_Cursor_%28In-game%29

You will have to LOG OUT of JK Hub (through [url]www.jkhub.net[/url], not the wiki interface) in order to access the page.

Actually, thats been used a couple of times, hell, I've used a system like that, however, I didn't call it endless pitch for nothing. This system actually traps the pitch movement, and is NOT limited by the player's headpitch as the menu system that you posted does. (unless I'm reading and understanding the cog completely wrong) Have you tested the forever pitch out and seen what it actually does tho?

Don't be selfish with breakthroughs. Nothing anyone ever discovers is used by that person. The lightbulb?

Works pretty well. But umm, hopefully it's not for multiplayer cuz that FireProjectile() in the pulse will wreak havoc.

Not to burst a bubble, but it's not a breakthrough, although, it'd be nice if someone *smacks self* released a SDK or something of keytrapping. You'd have to use the patched JK.exe with cogext.dll, but it's completely MP friendly.

He said he wants to release something of his own before releasing it to the public. Chill out.

And to me, that's silly. I'm not angry or anything, I'm just mentioning how that's a little selfish, and rather detrimental to a microscopic editing community in the first place.

Little selfish and rather detrimental to a microscopic editing community? You are taking things too much out of proportions.

No, JediKirby is absolutely correct, for the following reasons.

A) It's just dumb.
B) It's not new anyway.
C) Descent_Pilot doesn't own it.
D) He can't file a patent.
E) If he did, it would be denied.
F) If it wasn't, he couldn't enforce it.
G) He shouldn't have showcased it if he didn't want to share.
H) Telling us not to take it makes him look like an idiot.
I) He's a idiot.

[QUOTE=Hell Raiser]Works pretty well. But umm, hopefully it's not for multiplayer cuz that FireProjectile() in the pulse will wreak havoc.

Not to burst a bubble, but it's not a breakthrough, although, it'd be nice if someone *smacks self* released a SDK or something of keytrapping. You'd have to use the patched JK.exe with cogext.dll, but it's completely MP friendly. :)[/QUOTE]
Well....it'll wreak havoc then. lol

JediKirby, would you let everyone have free use of your models, textures, cogging, etc, that you spent the time doing/thinking off?

Isuwen, going on what I just said, lets consider cogging to be like art. I painted a part of a particular mural, and I showcase that part in order to start generating interest in the overall work. I'm making a mural that is similar to anothers, yet is done w/ different proportions and medium. I take pride in my art (cogs), and this "idiot" is hurt because actions are not equal, unless you now want to tell me to release all of my models for everyone to use.

Jesus, people. It's his work. He wants to release something before allowing other editors to use his work, and that's completely within his right. He's not being selfish - he simply doesn't want a bunch of clones of his own work being released at the same time as his.

I say the man reserves the right to have no one else use what he's made, and you should just ****ing respect his wishes.

I do.

Anything but open source hurts editing communities like ours. You have every write to do like you have, but I think it's entirely selfish, and rather silly. I'll be honest and say that no one's on the edge of their seat waiting for levels and mods these days, and yours isn't an acception. Freedom of new "revolutionary" things in JK creates a better community. Holding back these sorts of things doesn't generate "interest," as much as it creates a monopoly over certain abilities to do things. I'd much rather people did their own work, but I offer mine for new artists that have an idea like you do, but don't have the ability to "paint their masterpiece," as your metaphor stated. Sitting on your work like it's something special is arrogance. Especially when you're not competing or making money off of these ideas.

JediKirby

*raises eyebrows* okayyyy then.......

Now you can use the system however you want, see this thread for its uses.

If you have any more comments about my personal character, please do me a favor (to keep hypocrites away) and keep them to yourself.

Kirby your comments arent needed in here. He's allowed to keep it closed source if he wishes.

He can do what he wants with his work, and that does not make him stupid.

Though I'm not much of a cogger myself enough to understand, this sounds like good work. Now make (read: release) some use of it!

Just see my other thread, its linked above (which you're free to use the keytrap system) to "Not as good as driveable vehicles."

man, some of us are plain mean.

Kirby... stop acting like a dick.

He said he wants to make something using his cog before anyone else? Is that wrong?

There's nothing evil about what he's doing here, and if it's not revolutionary, then why do you give a ****?

Actually, I agree with Kirby. He never said it was wrong, but just selfish. JK is almost 10 years old btw. Why show off something and forbid it to be utilized by the few people wanting to?

However I can understand someone not wanting a WIP to be open source because that person doesn't feel like it is complete to their potential

Now isn't it selfish to withhold your models/ideas/inovations/textures/etc. as well? Without competition, there is no progress, no? Just because its old, can't someone take pride in their work and not just feed the leaches?

And I will have NO MORE NAME CALLING OR ATTACKS ON CHARACTER IN THIS THREAD.

You tell them.

...how do you have a closed source COG?

You could obfuscate it by removing all newlines and by making it overly complicated and long. But yeah, it's kind of silly.

He said he wants to IMPROVE IT BEFORE HE RELEASES IT! So he can make it perfect and get rid of any bugs. Urgh.

So stop with the name calling! Apart from to JediKirby ... who is a gimp!

gbk did that all the time.

Despite you all flaming him, Jedikirby is still right.

If he doesnt want to release it yet he doesnt have to. Stop complaining

See! You may not listen to me but you'll listen to him.

And he's probably gay! So ... so there that is. I have no evidence to back that up though.

(Yet)

Score.

I can see that my presence has been sorely missed.

I didn't look through all of your code, but it seems that there's a lot more than is truly needed for the "endless pitch trapping"
Before I briefly left Massassi (real life caught up to me and I lost my free time) I had been working on a universal cog for key trapping that any cogger could use for anything they want. It is a separate cog that will send messages to whatever other cog you specify whenever a player presses a key. I appologise for not finishing this and infact, I might just revive it again. If you want to see what I did so far it's a part of http://www.jkhub.net/project/show.php?projid=102

The trick to resetting the players pitch was merely adding a blank AIclass to the walkplayer template so that the verb AiSetLookPos works on the player.

Blank is so misleading. I spent a lot of time wracking my brains trying to figure it out.

You need at least one parameter set in the .ai file, alignment=1.0 works just fine.

This is by far the most rediculous arguement of all time. I know it's not an issue anymore, but this is the first time I actually read this thread. So:

This isn't a model or a map or a texture that someone has made, it's a cog system! It's just code! More than that, he's essentially not permitting other coggers to use the technique he's discovered. Him having a closed source cog is like me forbidding others from using a new mapping technique I've learned.

I agree with DP and the others who say that he has the right to keep his projects closed, but he negated that the moment he created this thread and made it viewable to the public. Any cogger who wishes to reverse engineer the system should be allowed to.

You can have actual physical works closed source, if you must... but not techniques. Sharing new ideas and techniques is what has kept this community alive so long.

[QUOTE=Hell Raiser]Blank is so misleading. I spent a lot of time wracking my brains trying to figure it out.

You need at least one parameter set in the .ai file, alignment=1.0 works just fine. :)[/QUOTE]


DOH you're right. I forgot about that. I have it in the level up for download, I just keep forgetting about it. whoops

Mine requires no template or ai additions, just the stand-alone cog. Tho the system was originally designed for if the player's LVec was not parallel to the XY-plane, as well as when you reach that maximum pitch However, SG-fan, I'm curious to see how far you got and your code, maybe we could make alil fusion reaction between the two. (AIM - DPatMassassi)

And BTW peeps, if anyone does care to listen to (well read in this case...) my posts, I have opened it up for the public to use, but why should coggers be held to a stricter/higher standard than any others? Note, I am showcasing a level , and the cogs that a levelmaker created are protected by him/her, no? So technically my title is misleading, but personally, I perfer it when people think for themselves too. So maybe I'm just an arrogant elitist a**hole who's also an egotistic idiot, but I thank those who don't voice their attacks on others personal characters and prefer to discuss the topic. However, please continue with this ethics debate, its something that should be addressed, or at the least, interesting.

No. Listen. This is a cog. Stop thinking of it as your creation. Think of it as "revolutionary break-through" technique for coggers, as you've originally suggested. It's a method for getting LEC's engine to preform the way you want it to. You can't prevent others from using the same technique. What if I discovered a revolutionary break-through in JED level editing that that made everything look like it was rendered from the Source engine, called it the "Super-Dooper Halucid Maneuver", and made use of the technique forbidden to everyone but me? Is that fair?

Code or a model, it doesn't matter. Don't be so materialists. His cog is a clever sequence of cog verbs, a model is a clever arrangement of vertices and surfaces. No difference besides theft recognition.