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Loss of Serenity, Birth of Provenance.
2006-07-05, 4:54 PM #1
My HD failed me the other day and I lost my dear Serenity Level, which I was so proud of :(

So, I've come up with this level to hopefully make up for what you guys missed out on. It's called.... (drum roll)


PROVENANCE!

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-0C5cBvtvor.jpg]

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-Vw8uoMFNMD.jpg]

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-WtAQEMTjU9.jpg]

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-zU5GeKX2tg.jpg]

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-Pan42hi50D.jpg]

[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-284-0Ydy4epNJl.jpg]
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-05, 5:00 PM #2
What game is that for? Outcast? Looks really nice, missing some life though.
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2006-07-05, 5:22 PM #3
I was quite surprised to find out its actually for JK.

Amazing. :eek:
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SATNRT, JK Pistol Mod, Aliens TC, Firearms

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2006-07-05, 5:29 PM #4
me gives much sexing to Luv bunny.

Me gets arrested

Me plays Level in jail.
Code:
if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}
2006-07-05, 5:31 PM #5
Better than Serenity. Definitely.
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2006-07-05, 5:37 PM #6
It's Jedi Outcast in vertex lit mode.

1) JO textures
2) Mipmaps in the first shot are using per-pixel depth, jk uses per-surface depth
3) Light seams and 'shadow lines'.

And yet there seem to be lightmap splotches. Just a fast light compile perhaps, and not actually vertex lit mode?
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-07-05, 6:06 PM #7
1. Alot of custom textures (Some being recreations of JO textures, others being random textures I put together, like the floor textures and stuff like that.)
2. No idea what you mean by the mipmap thing.
3. Probably just the way I lit things.


But yeah, it's definatly JK :3


(PS. I need some pointers, anything I need to improve, etc. It is after all my second map. :3)
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-05, 6:14 PM #8
Recreations of JO textures? Those look exactly like JO textures. Even the floor. Converting to .mat format doesn't count as recreating. :P
2006-07-05, 6:17 PM #9
Nah, I seriously recreated them.

And the floor texture is customized. I made it from scratch in PSP8. :3

Someone told me I wasn't allowed to actually use the textures from JO, so I went and used them as refrence to make my own. I really like the dark black ones at the bottom of the level :3
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-05, 7:46 PM #10
wow, what the hell. sotd!
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2006-07-05, 8:16 PM #11
I have to admit thats pretty hot. looks good, and that sux about serenity :gbk: cant wait to see more of this though. great work :cool:
2006-07-05, 9:00 PM #12
Originally posted by Isuwen:
It's Jedi Outcast in vertex lit mode.

1) JO textures
2) Mipmaps in the first shot are using per-pixel depth, jk uses per-surface depth
3) Light seams and 'shadow lines'.

And yet there seem to be lightmap splotches. Just a fast light compile perhaps, and not actually vertex lit mode?

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1. Recreated, a closer look will reveal that they are not the same at all.
2. There are no mip-maps, smartass.
3. What the hell are you talking about?

There are no lightmap splotches. That's a simple specularity effect she created with translucent surfaces and a COG.

[http://emon.versalife.org/screenshots/jmsucks.jpg]
Oh, and the JKHub project page where you can download and play the level yourself.
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2006-07-05, 9:10 PM #13
That looks like Jedi Outcast.
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2006-07-05, 9:11 PM #14
Originally posted by Freelancer:
That looks like Jedi Outcast.


:D
2006-07-05, 9:29 PM #15
yah its way better than serenity
i thought serenity was alright, really good for a 1st level, but not really worth screen of the day.
this on the other hand is looking really nice.
but my advice is,
it seems like a regular deathmatch level,
nothing jumps out at me except the textures, put in intricate little fun bits like say bespin has or nar shardaa. thats just what i think, others may disagree but i think it adds character to the level, soul. right now its just really sexy.

im sure you can think of something.
i can see from your level that you are very creative indeed.
The day i tried to live,
I hung out on the powerlines
and let the martyrs stretch.
2006-07-05, 10:18 PM #16
For visuals, look at some of your textures: cleave what you see. I don't like flat detail textures: They're ugly and detract from a good level. In screenshots they're fine, but when you play it, it's simply ugly.

For gameplay... wow, I wish I could explain some of the things I do with gameplay. Simply try to create high-traffic choke points and cut down on low traffic large areas. Open space is what killed JO/JA MP, in my opinion. Try to think of ways to make the map "flow" by item placement and accessability of ramps and stairs and whatnot. Hallways off to the side for stairs tend to stop me from going up them because I won't be able to attack anyone from inside. Try to make every area usable in combat, and not just a transitional area between two places.

That's all I got.
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2006-07-05, 10:54 PM #17
how did you 'recreate' the JO textures?
2006-07-05, 11:51 PM #18
I once converted all JO textures into 256x256 mats for JK. Was kinda neat back in the day.

Looks good.
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2006-07-06, 12:41 AM #19
Originally posted by Cazor:
how did you 'recreate' the JO textures?


My question exactly.

Those are JO/JA textures at first glance.

Please explain this "recreation" process.
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2006-07-06, 1:23 AM #20
The "recreation" process probably goes something along the lines of:
  1. Look at JO texture that Bunneh likes.
  2. Analyse what's in the texture. "That's a metal grating, that's dark speckled, that's a light fixture sitting over the top, ..."
  3. Open PSP.
  4. Draw those parts from the analysis, and combine them in the same layout.


Seriously, you lot need to give people the benefit of the doubt occasionally.

As for improvements, first thing that jumped out at me was the stairs in the first shot.

I like how you have a trim down the side. However, the steps would look good "sunken" from the trim. At least, that's how I like them:
[http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-240-JhM8tnsNV8_tn.jpg] [http://www.jkhub.net/project/screens/project-240-9xtbUYP5G3_tn.jpg]
All you need is an additional sector between the step sectors and the main corridor sector that is the width of the step sectors.

You can continue that along the corridors as well to get a consistent trim down the non-stairs as well.
2006-07-06, 1:45 AM #21
Can't really comment on the level yet, as it's basically a one-way ticket (you can't get back from the lowest floor). Visuals are great, though.
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2006-07-06, 9:23 AM #22
Wow, incredible work Luv-Bunneh! I find it hard to believe that this is only your 2nd project though, the jump in skill in amazing! You have a huge amount of talent, just what this community (and this dying game) needs! ;)
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2006-07-06, 9:49 AM #23
Holy crap! I was totally sure it was an Outcast map before Emon's post. On which I thought, "Well, I've seen better." But for JK, that's awesome.
幻術
2006-07-06, 10:03 AM #24
Originally posted by Giraffe:
The "recreation" process probably goes something along the lines of:
  1. Look at JO texture that Bunneh likes.
  2. Analyse what's in the texture. "That's a metal grating, that's dark speckled, that's a light fixture sitting over the top, ..."
  3. Open PSP.
  4. Draw those parts from the analysis, and combine them in the same layout.


Seriously, you lot need to give people the benefit of the doubt occasionally.


I'm not saying that she has no texture-creating abilities...but if you had abilities to make textures that are on par with Ravensoft's...wouldn't it seem more reasonable to put those abilities to creative use by making your own rather than copy off the works of a game...?
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2006-07-06, 10:10 AM #25
As good as it is for a second level, the lack of gameplay makes it seem like a showpiece for effects, and the architecture is decent but not good enough to be carried by the textures alone.

It's a great start though. Keep at it.
2006-07-06, 12:07 PM #26
Originally posted by Echoman:
wouldn't it seem more reasonable to put those abilities to creative use by making your own rather than copy off the works of a game...?

Maybe she likes the look and feel of the JO textures?

Oh, and being on par with Raven's texture artists is not much of a feat.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2006-07-06, 12:58 PM #27
Indeed, the only good texture artist raven seems to have is that HFX guy (And, actually, most of the JO textures look like his work.)

Quote:
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Way to start off in a friendly tone.

Quote:
1. Recreated, a closer look will reveal that they are not the same at all.
I'll get back to you on this one; I need to find and install JO...

Quote:
2. There are no mip-maps, smartass.

Look at the left-hand wall in the first shot. That is either mipmapping, or a texture that doesn't tile right.

Quote:
3. What the hell are you talking about?
The line of shadow that tends to dart diagonally across rectangular surfaces when they are lit using gourad shading.


Quote:
There are no lightmap splotches. That's a simple specularity effect she created with translucent surfaces and a COG.
Then that's actually pretty nice.
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-07-06, 1:31 PM #28
[http://www.omnisu.com/tex.jpg]
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-07-06, 1:33 PM #29
Heres a 5 - 15 minute made texture, based off regular JK.

[http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/7602/19whall24uz.png]

Is that proof enough?
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-06, 1:33 PM #30
And because I know someone will say I just took her texture from the JK level and made a JO map with it; I got the JO screen shot from http://www.lucasarts.com/products/outcast/html/default.htm
It is shot 7 in their set of 87.
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-07-06, 1:57 PM #31
wrar! ^^

[http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4108/19fpanel17tb.png]

[http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2712/19wpanl19qc.png]

That's all for now.
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-06, 2:10 PM #32
So, basically, what you are saying is you recreated that JO texture I hilited, exactly, down to the smallest details?
Wikissassi sucks.
2006-07-06, 2:16 PM #33
Looks great.

I have a question though, are we going to be allowed to use your textures for our levels?
2006-07-06, 2:29 PM #34
Originally posted by Isuwen:
So, basically, what you are saying is you recreated that JO texture I hilited, exactly, down to the smallest details?

Is it really that hard to believe?

You all should drop your elitist bull****. Just because there's a new author around with impressive, nay, very impressive work, doesn't mean you need to start throwing around accusations. Is it THAT hard to believe that someone with preexisting talent could pick up JK?
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2006-07-06, 3:04 PM #35
Originally posted by Luv-Bunneh:
Heres a 5 - 15 minute made texture, based off regular JK.

Is that proof enough?


I say "yes." Sorry I was skeptical. :)
2006-07-06, 3:14 PM #36
As long as it looks and plays good I really don't care how you get there :v: . . . .
This is retarded, and I mean drooling at the mouth
2006-07-06, 5:11 PM #37
Originally posted by Luv-Bunneh:
wrar! ^^

That's all for now.


Um, can you do some more of these for me.. Im working on remodeling jk levels but with your textures.. would work wonderfully.. seriously.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2006-07-06, 7:26 PM #38
those recreated textures look better than the actual ones from jk

<3
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2006-07-06, 7:36 PM #39
I got carried away :rolleyes:

[http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4454/00wimp038va.png]

[http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3999/10wdim30qe.png]

[http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/1058/10wpanl50up.png]

Yeah I should probably stop now, I just got carried away.

If you want to use these go right ahead, just give out deserved credit :3
-Kirei Neko (Pretty Kitty :3)
2006-07-06, 8:04 PM #40
What a waste.
Wikissassi sucks.
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