Like I said, drop the elitist jealousy bull**** already.

Good Grief! You spit textures out like cheese through a grater!

*starts chanting to summon the banstick gods*

It's not elitist, and I am not jealous. I'm upset because she is wasting obvious talent making pixel-perfect copies of other peoples work. Hence, it's a waste, and what a one.

JKE is a waste too then, I guess.

If someone did rip off LEC's work, who cares. They have been ripping us off for years by making crappy games. Besides, I'm sure LEC's work has had some sort of inspiration on every custom level for the JK games, not necessarily down to each texel. Isuwen's comparison is convincing, but how much would the use of JO's textures matter in a second level, this early on?

The other textures appear to be original, and JO had some amazing textures, so does it really matter they are recreations of them?

Pretty nifty recreations, I must say.

Also you should make these for me

... wow Luv... I demand to see actual live streaming webcam imagery of yourself holding 2 forms of photo identification and a birth certificate just to prove you're not Xzero himself, just screwing with us. He's the only one I've met who has mastered JED as fast as you have.

I'm kinda with isuwen on this.. I don't understand how copying other people's textures down to the smallest detail is any different than say, plagiarizing a novel.

I kinda sorta agree, too. But my only real complaint is if you have that kind of skill, why not just make 100% original textures? In that respect, yes, it is a waste of talent, as Isuwen suggests.

Myabe luv-bunneh is real good at making textures, but not at designing textures?

Also it shows that the last texture was rushed.

Personally I couldn't care less if this could be considered plagiarism or not. As long as LEC isn't suing, I'll give it the benefit of doubt.

Hmm. If you are good at recreating textures, why not have a hand of producing recreated JK textures (all of them)?

You've totally misunderstood me. Her recreations of original JK textures in a higher resolution are actually quite nice. It's the pixel-perfect recreation of an already high res JO texture that - if genuine - is a waste.

The difference is only in the medium. Plagarizing a novel does not mean taking a photocopy of it; even if you type it all yourself, it's still plagarism. So, in that regard; copying these textures is plagarism.

Furthermore, any recreation is by definition a derivative work. It would then be a violation of the EULA to use a recreation of a JK texture in any game other than JK, just as it would be a violation of the JO EULA to use these JO texture recreations in JK.


That was exactly my position, until Freelancer's comment made me realize that not even recreating the texture from scratch can free you from the legal ramifications.

Just because they aren't prosecuting, doesn't make it right. That's like saying it's okay to steal someone's television if they don't press charges.

On the other hand, recreating the JK textures in hi res, for use only in JK, should be perfectly fine. I am far from convinced that that JO texture actually is a recreation, and not just the original texture (Though I should probably go compare the texture from her gob with the one from JO before I say that...) If she produced some that wern't just shades of grade and bevels, like, say, the 09_fuel set; I'd be more inclined to trust her other work.

Is it just me, or did it suddenly get stuffy in here?

Why do I get the feeling no one would care if it was a level by, say, NorthChaos? Or if Tee suddenly showed up, no one would give him any crap.

I'm sorry, I still don't buy it. I still call elitist bull****. It seems to me like you're picking on her because she's new. Why? Because JM has always been an elitist *******, and that will never change.

The legal statements may be true about her work, but that doesn't change the fact that no one would care if it were a more "respectable" editor. Massassi has had a lot of new users register and show stolen work, but damn, benefit of a doubt, people.

First, I certainly would. Second, they wouldn't have done this in the first place.


Hello Kettle; meet Mr. Pot.

The fact that you care so much is cute. The level looks good, and she isn't taking the files from one game and claiming their her own. She's redoing them, and that really isn't against any rules. Not to mention, have you SEEN JKR? Stop *****ing.

Yeah, I'm being a dick. How's it feel to be on the other side? I don't care if you think you're better than me, because, hell, nothing I could say would ever change that anyway. I'm just pissed that you won't go away.

Let's not turn the showcase forum into a general discussion, please ..meaning I would rather see comments and crits about her LEVEL not what textures see makes.. as long as they aren't JO textures copied over who gives a rats ***

Refreshing.

SUGGESTION:

Let's wait until she releases the level. Then you can go in with a magnifying glass if you want and compare the textures.

I'm sure someone will, zzter

And indeed, I have compared the 'recreated' JO textures in her GOB with the original JO ones. They are not recreations. She took the JO textures, she down-sampled them to half their size, then adjusted the contrast and saturation. I got almost the exact same image just using auto contrast and auto color. Even the noise in the texture is identicle. Do it yourself, you'll see. She lied.


It's baked into the texture. She has various textures with the name 'newfloorglow#' which have various kinds of light splotches on them.

Here are the textures from her GOB and their corrosponding JO textures.

wallpanel2.mat - doomgiver/wallpanel03d.jpg (She appears to have taken the lower-left corner of this one, mirrored it horizontally and vertically, and applied a hilite.)
wall13.mat - doomgiver/wallpanel08d.jpg
wall10.mat - doomgiver/wall13d.jpg
wall9.mat - doomgiver/wall10d.jpg
wall9black.mat - darkened version of above
wall8.mat - doomgiver/wall4d.jpg
wall7.mat - doomgiver/wall3d.jpg
wall6.mat - doomgiver/wall2d.jpg

That's 7 she 'recreated' in exact detail, right down to the pattern of noise in the base metal textures. Need I go on?

Whatever you say, captain know it all

Anyway, I've made this next texture for a special someone.



:3


(Oh, and a small remake of that rushed one :3)

Which is hers, and which is a resized JO texture with unsharp mask applied and the constrast and saturation adjusted?

The answer is both

They are strikingly similar, the detail is identical to pixel-precision, the only real differences being levels and saturation
*prepares the ban-stick*

A really good explanation would help right now.

I did recreate them, but since all the evidence points against me, I'm going to make brand new textures from scratch and use those in my Level.

Will that make everyone happy?

Even if she did steal it, banning can't be the appropriate action for showcasing stolen material. If you're going to ban her for ANY period of time, you should PERMABAN SF_GoldG_01.

Emon, you are by far the closest person to being banned right now. You've insulted Isuwen repeatedly in this thread and now you're telling an admin who he should be banning?

I was just making a point, yeesh.

My actions towards Isuwen in this thread were uncalled for, and I apologize for that, Isuwen. I suppose I'm annoyed by past actions, and threads like these come too close to repeating history.

Well, I'm with Emon on this one. This is hardly ban material. Its pretty damn bad if she did steal the texture, and she'll probably never hear the end of it again, not to mention be stuck with a lovely reputation until she proves otherwise.

Still, this is seriously not something I personally see as a bannable offense. At least not for the first offense.

I watched from her window while she made the whole thing. Bunneh's are fast at lots of stuff!

Then my wife beat me and dragged me home.
[/hey shouldn't I be in bed?]

At any rate, the effects are quite nice and had me guessing for a 2nd or two. and I hope the gameplay makes it memerable. It's quite fantastic for a 2nd level.

This thread will now segue into a discussion of the JK level "Provenance" by Luv-Bunneh.

I like the look of this level. But as some have said, perhaps more details need to be added to make it come "alivie," such as barrels, equipment, pipes, etc. Also, thought needs to be put into the location of powerups. Will they just be lying on the floor, or will they be arranged on shelves, etc? Anyway, keep up the good work.

In a perfect world, stealing work and adamantly lying about it would be a bannable offense.

Also, overuse of the lion smiley

Not that I'm trying to be mean or anything, overuse of smilies just pisses me off.

This is what I have so far of my retex.

I made some custom textures, and used some of my JK retextures.













Thoughts/Suggestions?

(I'm gonna change that ugly roof texture soon, it just doesn't mesh right with the others >.<)

Oh and if you guys can, help me out with ideas for new textures, I want a little more selection :3

(And I'm gonna keep using the lion smiley, cuz I'm kewl.)

Looks good, nice work

One thing - the way the top half of the wall textures in the last shot run into the ceiling isn't very eyecatching. Areas like that are poifect places to spice up with architectural detail.

[QUOTE=Hell Raiser]Then my wife beat me and dragged me home.
[/hey shouldn't I be in bed?][/QUOTE]

Who has time for a wife with Massassi?

No one complained when I showcased TODOA (MotS) with ripped JO textures and A (MotS) with JO models... Sine just asked if it really was a JO texture but it didn't swell out.

Not that big deal, but getting replacements before release could be nice... or something. Bleh.

I still say it's a pretty and neat JK level.

And if you want to make original textures >_>

Luv, I'm very happy with your map. Beautiful progress, made all the better by your own creations. I think I will disagree with everyone who says add crates, becuase to me, this is a very Spartan level. Clean, well-maintained, machine-like. It seems reminiscent of an Imperial facility or starship.

I will suggest, however, that you add some more detail in other ways. The area that strikes me with the most room for improvement is i nthe 5th picture. A bare corridor? No, you can do better than that. I have several possible suggestions for that area:

1) Extrude the bottom surfaces of the walls, and have lights follow the corridor, hugging the base.

2) Cleave square or rectangular surfaces out of the floor, and extrude them once by .01 and again by .09. Make a grilled surface that the player can walk over but see through on the adjoin, and beneath it have pipes, power cables, or maybe even a lower level, or sewage system.

3) Do the same thing with the ceiling, only you could also have lights or air ducts.

4) Either extrude more lights from the walls, or cleave pillars, support frames, various metal beams, or even control panels. Every area needs a purpose of some kind. Corridors link areas, but the more interesting you make them, the more the player will enjoy traveling through them and the rest of your map.

Just a few simple suggestions. Whenever you get to a new area, or even when reviewing an old one, ask yourself, "What can I do to make this more visually appealing and technically satisfying?"

Huzzah!

Theres a few spots that need to be retextured cuz I added stuffz to it, but this is what I have so far :3


OMGOSH! DETAIL!





Screw the stairs! :3







PS: This elevator is to get out of the water.

YehYeh!



Here's the way from the bottom floor to the top floor :3



My First Door 3do! 3d rules :3




Not Too shabby!



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