Trust me, you haven't changed that much since then if you were acting clingy and desperate a year ago.

In your words, what are you doing differently now that you weren't doing then?




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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Acting clingy desperate and depressed. Clingy would be "OMG I WILL DIE IF I DON'T GET THIS GIRL". No, I'm saying if I know for a FACT that she doesn't like me, I'm going to give up, but I don't know that much. Why give up on something you don't know can't be?

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I still wanna know if there is women and how to fully free my mind and learn Phone-number-fu.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

The matrix example is an analogy. i didn't mean it literally.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Bah imma throw myself in the ring here but, i kinda feel that way about the girl i like lol but then again we have already hit a base run.

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LOL sorry that was my poor attempt to try and be funny sorry i dishonored you.



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Well good for PW, he lived an experience LIKE mine. No offense man, but like I said, you don't know the whole story. You don't even know half of it.

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No, you should know how a woman thinks (or in the instance of attraction, how very little thought is actually used and is all instinct).

Many things, among your ideas and what you have told me. If I could see you in real life, I would pick up from your body language too.

Yoshi: I just sent two e-mails. Now realize that these are just little tastes and you won't be a veritable Don Juan with just these two things. This is just a sample. Tell me how it tastes.

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dude, I don't even need to know half of it because most of a story is worthless and I only need certain things. You provided those things.

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Right, Yoshi's actions (as he stated in this post) speak far louder than his words.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

page, I love your sig....

I'm going to go to bed now. I've stayed up longer than I should have.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 02, 2004).]

...wow, you two are all kinds of screwed up.

Yoshi, do not listen to either of these windbags. Their advice is good for one-night stands and not much else. Want a relationship? Here's a piece of advice that sounds cliche but works. Be yourself. Now no, that's not instantly going to get you a relationship; anyone who says something is is full of ****. But when you do find the woman who likes you for who you are, and they are out there, then you will know that it's FOR WHO YOU ARE and not for some Maxim-magazine formula. Otherwise, have fun pretending you're someone you aren't.

Now let me anticipate the backlash from this. First you're going to question how I do with women. Well, I'm engaged. I didn't have to work any military-level strategies to attract my fiancee, we started out as friends and moved forward from there. Furthermore, most all of my friends are currently in serious relationships and NONE of them employed any magic tactics to get them.

Now you're going to blame society for teaching me this. Ah yes, blaming society...the ultimate excuse. Ever think, Kieran and Page, that maybe it's not society's horrible lies, the mindset of women, the zeitgeist or the communists who make it impossible for you to get women without treating them like pieces of meat? Maybe it's the fact that YOUR personalities are so vapid and toxic that that's why women won't be with you? Oh, wait, I'm sorry, you wanted the easy way out that didn't involve taking personal responsiblity; Yes, that's right, it's mean ol' society *pat on the head*.

EVERYONE in this thread who is in a serious relationship (that I know of) has posted saying that Kieran and Page are wrong wrong wrong. Basically, if you want meaningless sex (Oh, I'm sorry. "If you want to improve yourself by learning to treat women like things") then follow their advice. If you want a meaningful relationship, then do like the rest of us and enjoy a hearty laugh at how pathetic they are.

Just a note, though, Yoshi; you ARE coming off as kinda clingy. I know it's hard, but step back a bit. You've made your feelings known; trust me, she's not going to forget them. The ball is in her court now, so let her make the next move, if there is one to be made. Until then, scope around a bit; you don't have to insantly find another woman, but keep an eye out for some women that may interest you. You'd hate to miss a good one just because you're pining over someone who doesn't have interest in you.

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RIP Madaventor: God bless you.

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Look, it's pretty obvious that she doesn't see you as anything more than this friend at this time. Your best bet is just to get over her. However, if you decide to persure her you still have to do exactly the same thing.

The thing being build up your inner and outer image, people really do notice these kind of changes. I did exactly the same thing last year and it took people completely by suprise. What's more, people started taking more of an interest in my life, if there had been a girl that i'd liked at that point I could probably have let a rumour do all the hard work for me.

Now if in 2 months time, this girl has noticed these changes (and she believes them to be positive), then she may reconsider and start to persue you.

Whatever you decide to do about this girl, your best bet is still to try and build your confidence, self-esteem and even muscle (not only does it make you look better, actively exercising releases endorphines which make you HAPPY HAPPY).

You still don't get it. I'm not saying "This is what you do to get women", I'm saying "This is what you will do naturally when you attain a more healthy mentality." Seeking acceptance from a woman for who he is is not a good thing and that's what he is doing.

There isn't anything magic or outrageous about being confident.

Okaaay...you have some serious anger issues. Just settle down there sparky. And I never said any of that stuff. I don't blame society, I blamed him. I never said to treat women like pieces of meat. That would be a bad thing to do. Haven't you ever heard "Why does my really hot friend always go out with these abusive jerks, but I'm always nice to her and she only wants to be friends." Being "nice" to a woman gets you no where, but these jerks seem to having something. It is possible to have that something without being an abusive jerk.

I have said it multiple time, I do not use women as sex toys (that's page's domain and I don't agree with it). The entire point I'm making is that by helping himself, that is going to spread into other places in his life. btw, I have had meaningful relationships. And you might not believe this, but it actually is possible for a guy to hold back and not try to **** every hole he finds.

Welcome to my side Darko.

Darko, you have a right to disagree, but there was absolutely no need to do it like that. Flying off the handle like that make you sound like a whiny and pouty child.

I suppose you are going to call Det a loser too, huh Darko? Because he is saying what I've been saying.
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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 03, 2004).]

i dunno about yoshi, but sitting back and reading this thread, im learning a lot.
And so far Kieran has been making a lot of sense, from what little past experiences i have had, what he is saying makes a little sense at least. I just need to experience more to get the full extent.
I do however put on a little show, can call it game if you want, but for the most part i just be my normal outgoing self, telling jokes, witty, and learning when to listen/walk away.
More women have been takign an interest in me lately, just any advice helps and i am learning, knowledge is one of your best traits i always figure, and learnign from other people mistakes not to mention your own is best way to learn IMO.

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I've had both long term and short term relationships, and just because I prefer short-term at this point in my life doesn't make me the kind of guy that uses women as sex toys.

Kieran: If he won't listen to us now, it means that he simply isn't ready for the truth. There will come a time where he wil come to a breaking point and will make the choice: He will either seek the truth himself, or he will choose to never do it and the truth will never reach him. It's his choice. I hope he chooses wisly when the time comes because i've seen cases where the choice to learn is offered only once and is never offered again if refused the first time. Life works strangely that way.

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yeah, it doesn't make you that, but you still are

I think all men figure it out at some point in their life. The difference is whither it's at 18 or 80.

I think some people are thinking I'm saying this is the only way to get dates. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that it is the best way because you get more women that are interested in you, you are far more likely to find someone you are compatible with, you'll still be yourself, but most of all you learn skills you will use throughout your entire life and in multiple areas and you become generally happier with your life. This isn't "how to get laid" advice. This is "how to be as successful as possible in life" advice.

Now come pagewizard, we must draw out the plans for our take over of women's colleges across the nation! muhahahaha!

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 03, 2004).]

whintt and pagewizard: If you want to contact me, My AIM is RatWars, my MSN is robg2008@yahoo.com, and my Yahoo IM is kieranhorn. Actually, anyone can contact me through that if they want.

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It's just that for some odd reason, the people with LONG-TERM relationships say what you guys are saying is crap. Funny how it works . Now I realize some of it is true, but I don't want to be cocky and overbearing--that's not me. Quietly confident, sure, not cocky though.

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I don't know why you're still bothering to respond Yoshi. Obviously if you don't fit their idea of a man and how he should interact with women you'll die alone and never know true bliss. That or they're just having a circle jerk of egotism.

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