But Kim isn't a U.S. leader. There's no real reason why he should be put up there with the rest of the U.S. leaders.

Yes, some of them still do the communism=evil thing. They don't really harp on it much though.

I think that teacher's opinions are okay to an extent, especially if they're presented as opinions.
One reason is that children are unlikely to hold permanent political opinions based on what one of their teachers once said. By the time they're 18 they'll hopefully have found out their own opinions.

Welcome to America; where people's opinions are so impressionable, that a saturday night live skit can change the election.

No matter who wins; we all lose.

JediKirby

Yeah, its a pain when people aren't 100% politicaly correct. Forget the stupid facts.

Hahahahahahahaha

You're one to talk about religious fanatics, not to imply anything here, but wow...;)

i second whatever motion there is to make Obi leave.

It is good to welcome advircity. It inspires thought. Well, thought and a bigger post count.

I hate bush.

If that is the only reason you continue to post things that make people dislike you,, I think you should stop

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I don't think any leader of any state deserves "respect" simply because that's their job.

You'll end up like Singapore, you call the Prime Minister a useless economic adminsitrator, you get sued for slander. The same guy has been in power for 28 years or so.

Cease and desist. You only make people not like you and you're trolling. It is never good to welcome adversity.

That said. I'm sick of all this "I hate Bush. Bush is a warmonger. Bush should be poked with 1,000 needles." It's not needed. It denegrates yourself. Oh and I do not like it on the other side too. I heard a promo for the Savage Nation (Mike Savage's show) and he went on a tear. I wasn't impressed. I was very active in politics my high school years. I love to debate people. Now after the 2000 election, I'm scared to stand up for conservative principles for being strung up by my genitals. I have not seen this kind of resentment and distaste for any one politician in a long time. The Right never went this far with Clinton.

Nope, we are two different people. Confusing, I know.

Now this is something we can all get behind.

All in foavor of the motion to make Obi leave, say "aye"

...are you kidding? This place would be dull without a few people wearing buckets on their heads running around blindly smashing into walls. Don't take my amusement away.

I'm just running the motion :p

Well, as long as the courts won't decide your president like happened last time, you should be satisfied. Then at least the better man in the eyes of democracy would win.

I didn't ask for political BS from you, bugger off.

Oh, and AYA!

During an amazingly beautiful sunset, I'd say the sky looks more orange and red than blue myself.

These forums don't work so that you choose who may and who may not post their opinion. You also can't make someone "bugger off" because he posted in a thread which you started.

Can't we just learn to love everyone?

If you don't think presidential elections are political, then what on earth are they? Last time I checked, Presidency was a political institution around the world...

I hate Bush.
I hate Kerry more.
...
Go Bush! [/sarcastic, unenthusiastic cheering voice]

Clinton's party also didnt control almost all 3 branches of the government, giving him almost REAL ULTIMATE POWER(tm).

On the topic, I cant stand Bush. Hope he goes back to Texas after November to never bother another human soul again.

On the 2nd point of the topic, I think there's probably more going on in that story than what meets the eye. BUT if not, the school should be shut down for being so stupid it's obvious nothing worth being taught there can be.

On the 3rd point of the topic, I wish that we had created more Troll Shamans.

Yes, anyone who cant understand why people dislike Bush should watch this at least once. It's a good one.

You're right. Terrorists really are at a disadvantage, what with all our smart bombs and Marines. Bush really should ask their opinion before having them killed.

But what about the opinions of those European nations that benefit economically from providing terrorists and dictators with arms? Surely their votes should count for something as well.

Sarcasm time is over. Any President that is hated by both terrorists and Europe is an instant winner in my book.



That's because most Republicans aren't hypocrites who only savagely slander their opponents behind closed doors. I seem to remember Dean's "Bush wants to burn our books" speech made outside the convention hall as being quite popular with the delegates.



D'oh. If only he could have led a collateral damage-free bombing campaign like Clinton did with Operation Desert Fox, or Bosnia, or Somolia.



Funny how Americans hate oppressive economic systems so much. Kooky Americans and their love of freedom!



Kim Jong Il has never been elected President of the United States.

Would you like me to buy you a map? I'm certain that North Korea is at least an ocean away.



Presidential elections have never been directly democratic.

Would you like me to buy you a copy of the Constitution?

I better be careful throwing all this money around...

It makes me quite sad to see Americans so hostile towards their allies, of all people.

Perhaps I should rephrase. The British Isles, Italy, the Eastern Bloc, they're okay. But so much of Europe has just gone too hippyish for me.

France... they've always been a weak, incompetent ally at best.

France helped us win our independence, The Patriot told me so.


Anyways, it seems to me that the rest of Europe doesn't dislike the United States, it simply dislikes Bush. There's a difference.

Being an ally doesn't mean agreeing with everything, just like being a friend doesn't mean agreeing with everything. I have a lot of friends who sometimes do things that piss me off, but we still remain friends.

If a terrorist tried to blow up your friend, I'd help you.

France gave tentative and non-reliable support in the Revolution. If they had actually worked with us instead of being a whiny band of arrogant pansies who tried dictating our every action, the war could have been won three years before Yorktown.

Don't forget how after WWII, after liberating the French from fascist rule, how they were hoping the Soviets would conquer them so they could enjoy the benefits of the communist iron fist.

And don't forget how 1/3 of the French population wanted us to lose in Iraq. I don't care whether you support a war or not, you do not hope your allies will lose.

And no, most of Europe does not simply dislike Bush, they dislike America. They dislike our culture, they dislike the power we wield, they dislike their own lack of comparative power. When Schroeder gets elected in Germany simply because he was able to spread out more Anti-American sentiment, you know they aren't good allies.

France had more iron to them back then. Say what you will about the Napoleonic Wars, but he did make people see that blue, white, and red flag.

The Democrats had the House (and I think Senate too) for 40 years up until 1994 when the Republicans vastly swept both houses. So for the first 3 years of the Clinton presidency, he could get stuff through the House.

Hey, there were people here in America that wanted us to "lose". And I've gotta say, it DOES look like we're losing.. losing control.

Anyway, the French fleet was key in forcing Cornwallis to surrender; had the French not been there, he could have fled by sea and returned with another army. Also, the French helped capture several towns in New England.


Err, when was Germany ever an ally?..

Don't let us stop you from stating your mind. As long as you're honest you shouldn't have too much to worry about.
The Right was indeed very brutal to Clinton. Even to his family. I remember once one of them referred to Chelsea as the family dog.
They still haven't given up on Clinton either.


Have you talked to him recently? I haven't seen him in a long time. I forgot he existed until I saw your post.

Right now, supposedly.

The "France" that helped us was overthrown within a decade of the end of the US revolution. France has had more governments since then than Madonna has NBA players

people like checksum and nauree were funny (in their own different ways) because they did it deliberatly by searching for things that they disagreed with. (or it seemed that way with nauree at least)

Obi is just plain offensive. There is freedom of speech on this site but there should still be a line when it comes to saying things like this.



that is just plain religous discrimination.

If the USA had joined in World War 2 when the rest of the Allied did, the war could have finished three years earlier, too...



Umm... what? Cite?



No, they dislike Bush, and the attitude of some Americans who would vote for a president simply based on the fact that no one else likes him.



Napoleon came to power in 1799, and the American Revolution finished about two decades earlier. At the time of the Revolution, Louis XVI was still King.



Hey! They've only had 12 or so different Constitutions! Give 'em a break!

Additionally, I don't know where all this "the French are weak and can't fight" business came from. In the 18th/19th century they conquered Europe. They successfully fought against Germany a few times (and gained territory), including World War 1. That they were overrun in WW2 was not really their fault; they couldn't very well build the Maginot line on Belgium's border (well, they did, but the forts there were underpowered), who were their ally, so when Germany, with its greatly increased military under Hitler, stormed through Belgium and the Ardennes, they were basically out of luck. The Line itself was pretty succesful, though; even when France surrendered only a single fort had fallen.

A bunch of other countries were overrun by the Axis, but you don't hear people criticising the Netherlands for it.

You really don't want to open that can of worms. The US was strongly isolationist when Hitler started his romp. Roosevelt wanted to get involved, but the American people wouldn't back him until Pearl Harbor. However, the US still supported the war by sending military and hardware to the Allies in Europe with the lend lease program. Furthermore, the US needed time to raise and train an army for the invasion while at the same time fighting on another front in the Pacific




Some of the French resistance was communist and was looking to install a communist goverment after liberated from the Germans. Pulled that from Citizen Soldiers by Ambrose.

The US had practically no Army when WW2 began, they would have gotten trashed by Germany faster than France did, which I find kinda funny.

Their military at that point was the 14th largest in the world, smaller than that of even Portugal.

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There were three major Partisan organizations in France during WW2, the largest of which was the Communists.