Why do I like Bush? Because many of his values and policies line up with my beliefs and thoughts, and the fact the he isn't so weak as to back down from the U.N. or to force America to pass a "global test" in order to stick up for ourselves.

Also it appears that some narrow minded fools couldn't even bring themselves to stick by the original topic and requests of this thread, so I think I'll do the same in response>>>>>

PLEASE DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING. I ABSOLVE MYSELF FROM GUILT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO.


It appears to me that (many, not all) liberals in this day and age have become unbearable. THEY CANNOT KEEP THEIR OPINIONS TO THEMSELVES, let alone be civil or fair to others in political matter. They CANNOT restrain themselves from forcing their opinions on others, and procliaming their beliefs as the only truth, while denouncing any other thoguhts or beliefs as false, dumb, and completely untrue. I wonder why their candidate didn't get elected. Hmmmm.......

I think that can be said about certain people in both sides of the political spectrum, not just liberals.

I believe its not so much they try to force thier beliefs on others (us conservatives can do it just as much), i think its more that they con't bring themselves to see other points of view (*cough*spiral*cough*). They seem to develop a superiority complex, and decide anything that's not thier's must be horrible (don't think so? why are thousands of people asking to move to canada because kerry lost? i garuntee you, had kerry won, the republicans would not be planning a mass exodus). They might as well go around with duct tape over thier ears shouting "IM BETTER THEN YOU!!! NEENER NEENER!!"

[Edit] oh, and ubuu, it's no use editing your first post now, its been quoted quite a few times. you might was well have just kept it was it was instead of making it look like you're trying to hide it.

[edit²] jsut wanted to point out: in my above point, i didn't mean that all liberals are so. it has been my main experince, though

Completely true, Finity. Yes, there are extreme conservatives too. I was just using this thread as a case in point.

Bush is in a position where he can do whatever he wants. I envy him. That's enough.

A friend of mine said he likes Bush, because he looks like a normal pal with whom you can go out and drink some beer and have fun with him. While Kerry looks like a cold intellectual.

bush is very entertaining. he gets a good laugh out of us!

"Doesn't look like a caricature."
THAT's why he's our president. Because he doesn't LOOK like a CARICATURE?

"is a likeable guy"
Ah, right, I want a president that i'd feel comfortable going out and drinking with. Thankfully I'm not gay or foreign, that'd jsut be awkward.

"gets jobs done"
This is basically the "isn't kerry" argument. Sure, it's a good quality, but I'd rather have someone who doesn't do jobs he shouldn't, and does do jobs he should. Getting the wrong thing done is not a positive to me.

"has convictions"
Sure, that is a good trait. Just not to me right now, since almost all of his convictions completely contradict mine. That's not an argument against you or anything, i'm jsut saying it for the sake of completeness. The first 2 are the ones that really scare me.

Yes, because clearly being told that "ABORTION IS MURDER" is a welcome notification about the values of crazed lunati... er, I mean, the moderate right.

And let's not mention the valuable knowledge I gleaned from Republican homophobes everywhere. I will forever value the knowledge that marriage is only allowed between men and women and I'm both a sinner and a *** for thinking otherwise. Oh, ho ho ho, how wrong I was to ever doubt the mighty conservatives.

Say, speaking of being unable to keep your opinion to yourself, Nightwind, why are you posting it here? Get off your high horse.

Jon`C wins once again

I'm a liberal and I told my friends a quick congratulation (though when he said he's start making fun of me at Kerry's concession speech I did tell him to shut up) and moved on with it. I live in co-existence with many friends that are conservative. And they're always pressing it into my face that they're right. Yet I don't do a damn thing.

God I'm such a horrible person, I mean I force my opinions on EVERYONE don't I?



Jon`C said it best, get off your high horse.

I brought that up to refute your 'scaring me' bit. sure, being/not being a charicature doesn't make a mote of difference as far as being president, but its nothing to be afraid of.



well, referring to us as 'crazed lunatics' really helps your point. I could easily say "and being told that murder is perfectly fine as long as you do it early is a welcome notification about the values of crazed lunati... er, I mean, the moderate left," but I’m not.



You think there are no homophobes on the conservative side? Just because they go for most democratic ideas does not mean that everyone in your party like homosexuals. And not all republicans are homophobes either (myself being an example of those who aren’t), nice stereotyping you've got there. Sure, Bush attempted for the amendment because he adheres to that principle of Christianity (Don’t do for church/state bit here, please, that’s another topic). So? Again, I’m sure there are a hell of a lot of democrats that believe the same.



He’s posting it here, maybe because its, you know, a pro bush thread which is, basically, a pro-republican thread. if you're not pro-bush, why are you posting here? Get off your high horse.

Jon`C doesn't win.

I don't like Bush, but I respect his willingness to act on his convictions in the face of opposition. This next one isn't really a praise of Bush, but I'm also a little relieved that we didn't vote to change presidents in the middle of the Iraq war. The ensuing logistical problems could have been the difference between getting out in four more years and getting out in ten.

But there you go, you just - again- asserted that abortion is 'early murder', slamming your opinion down my throat like the hypocrites you are.



That brings up another question: The internet, in general, is largely liberal. This community in particular is infamous for being liberal, to the extent that it's even irritated me.
We can keep going as long as you'd like, but eventually you're going to face the fact that American liberals control the media, they control the universities, and they control the centers of population and economics. You're alone, afraid, huddled together in the middle of your country, with 80% of your land mass keeping the republicans in power by a scant 2% in popular vote.




Mine's not a high horse.

I am pretty aware of that. I know how these message board thingys on the internets work.

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I never 'slammed it' down your throat. I even said at the end that I wasn't saying that, because to be completely honest, I don't give a flying **** what you believe as far as abortion. If this was a thread about abortion policies, I’d bother arguing, but its not, so I really don't care. Try reading all the way through something before making some stupid response. If anyone was slamming anything around, it was you, considering you had the audacity to call us all crazed lunatics. Think before you speak.


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Can you seriously say all that, and still believe it when you say:

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? If you do, you have to be the most delusional person I’ve ever met, and that's saying a hell of a lot. As for the first part of that, if that's true, and you control "the media, they control the universities, and they control the centers of population and economics", explain how bush got elected. Well? And if you dare say, "because 59,000,000 people are idiots," I’m personally going to request you be banned. Anyway, you do not control all that. I will concede that you have the majority of vocal actors/actresses and college professors. However, I consider anyone who takes the opinion of an actress with a brain the size of a pea who makes her living because she has good breasts as actually worth something not intelligent enough to have a serious opinion. And, I don't know about you, but I really don't care what my physics professor has to say about current events. I'll check the facts for myself, thank you. Anyway, I say once again: Get off your high horse.

[edit] Ubuu: if you're so aware, why did you do it, then?

Cuz I wanted. What difference does it make?

Because all liberals are bimbos and teachers, and their votes don't count.

Seriously, Jon' C, what are doing in this forum anyway? THis obviously isn't your place. Hope you read my second post.

Just think of it this way. without bush, the daily show wouldnt loose a lot of matrial. One of the funniest things
i have ever seen is the Daily Show's debate between Senater George Bush and President George Bush. He contradicts himself so many times=P

No. He was merely flipping the argument around to show how absurd your comment was.



I'll be sitting here, waiting for the grand liberal revolution.




What the hell does that have to do with anything? Shooting off on random tangets doesn't help your argument.




Mine's not a high horse. [/B][/QUOTE]

rofl.



You're right! No conservatives are ever hypocritical or make hasty generalizations! Not even you! (I'm not the first person to respond to this but you deserve a net-thrashing for it.)



You're right, too! Many Republicans aren't homophobic... However all of the people who they choose to represent in office are (with very few exceptions).

Eversor - if you read my second post, you would have seen that I acknowledge that there are extreme, outspoken conservatives, too, so don't bash me for that. However, I must say that you posting what you did in this thread just proves my point even more.

Firstly, I'd like to say I like bush because he's ridded Iraq of all it's weapons of mass destruction . Secondly, I love the way he speaks:

"We'll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called America will be the pacemakers"
Again, his peaceful intentions with Iraq are clearly shown.

"More and more of our imports are coming from abroad"
How clever of him.

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
Errr....

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family"
Hmmm.... me too

"I'm sure you can imagine it's an unimaginable honor to live here"
What?

"We're concerned about AIDS inside our White House - make no mistake about it"
I wonder what he gets up to in there....

"The best way to relieve families from time to time is to let them keep some of their own money."
Of course, naturally.

"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and you don't do it that's trustworthiness"


These are the words of America's great leader... lesser mortals may not understand his words of wisdom

(Can I just also express the fact that these are genuine quotes )

some more very intelecual quotes:
"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."

"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

"I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here."

"I think the American people—I hope the American–I don't think, let me—I hope the American people trust me."

Though I think somebody already said it, I respect that he may not be the brightest, he's smart enough to surround himself by smart people.

I'm glad to see that even though you say you ceded your argument, you still have more to say on the topic!

Just that you say there are outspoken conservatives doesn't revoke the fact that you said what you did. You've only dug yourself a bigger whole.

I disagree with George W. Bush, and I think its unfortunate that he was re-elected president; Yet, I acknowledge that people voted for him, and that 59 million people beileve he is the man for the job. If Bush was really as bad as the extreme on the left say he is, than he wouldn't have won. However, it should be acknowledged as well that while this election marked a record for votes for an incumbent president, it is also a record for votes against an incumbent president.

Of all the people who ran for president, I think Nader had it right, but I feel I can see where people who voted for Bush are coming from.

What bothers me with your statement is I don't want to be grouped with those ignorant people on the far left. I try my hardest to stay well educated on both sides, and I beileve that my faith in liberalism exists because I have seen both sides of the spectrum, and I genuinely beileve that the left is correct.

So... I forget where i was going with this. Maybe now you could actually APOLOGIZE for what you said and not just say something to over ride it.

/end ramble

I wouldn't bash on Bush for speaking out of sorts. You're often found with the shorter end of the stick than he is on these forums alone, much less when dealing with those who know you in person.

It's easy to make someone look imperfect when your parading your ignorance around on a forum like someone who just caught their own tail.

...And I was right.

*applause*

Congradulations, MaD CoW, on winning the 'biggest spin doctor of the year' award! Not only did you change my point to your own benifit, but you managed to twist it so far from the original meaning that i can't even recognise it! You go girl!

Anyway, what you would have realized had you truly read it, was that i said that i do not beleive thier opinions should have much wieght it your decisions. i said "I'll check the facts for myself, thank you." As in, i will check my own facts, my own beliefs, my own convictions, and decide where i stand from there. And you should, too. If you're willing to be told what to vote for, you might was well go and sell your vote on ebay, at least that way you'd make some money for throwing it away. If you voted liberal and you did it because Chappelle said so, you're an idiot. if you voted liberal because you believe in what kerry stood for, and chapelle just happened to agree, then i consider that a perfectly valid vote. Once again, read before you fly off the handle, people.



Wow. did he ever say no conservatives were? He never said that at all, because he would be lying through his teeth if he did. all he said was that the majority of liberals act that way, and from my experience, RL and internet, i agree! Jon`C makes such a lovely example. You want to take back your 'crazed lunatics' line yet, bub?

I'd do his daughters.

I think that's about it.

I'm afraid I must disagree. Kerry's got a much better-looking daughter.

But Bush has two

/runs before he gets caught up in the quagmire that seems to be forming in this thread.

Re-read your own damn post, and I don't see how I was supposed to benifit rom my statement. However, you seem to think it's a good idea to openly bash someone for a simple comment and to judge liberal minds on a Hollywood stereotype. I didn't go around telling you that your opinion was wrong and that you were stupid for saying what you did. I just commented and pointed out that what you said was flawed. Someone may not be smart and even misinformed, but their opinion belongs to them and you are not one to decide whether it is wrong or not.



I didn't vote. I'm not American and never will be, and even so, whether someone tells me who to vote for, that doesn't discredit my or any one else's opinion of the political parties in question.

Nothing invalidates a vote, much less the reason the person voted for the party they did. No one gives a **** if Chapelle said to vote for somebody, and even if people did listen to him and voted accordingly, their vote still counts.

I'm not usually mean, but I don't take well to being attacked. So, why don't YOU take your 27 posts, take your high horse, and get the **** outta here?

Where did he say such people's opinions didn't count? He said he doen't like people who don't form their own opinions, and I bet that would go for both sides of the political spectrum.

If that isn't saying that someone's opinion isn't worth ****, then I don't know what is.

Conviniently cut of the context of the quote there, didn't you.



And if you'd read a little deeper into another of his posts, you'd see this:

I don't have a problem with that statement.



Whether it's Chappelle or your teacher, I don't see why having an external influence on your opinion makes you an idiot. Every one made an opinion based on external influences (ie. the media) before voting.

If CNN tells me that Bush killed thousands of people in the war and I vote for Kerry, does that make me an idiot?

I don't think I did at all.

There's nothing wrong with external influences. After all, reading about things in hte news and talking to other people out external influences. The issue here is people who formulate their own opinions but rather have it formed for them by someone else. They exist on both sides of the sprectrum and they scare me because their numbers are growing.