Yeah, but basically things in the news ARE other people opinions (at least it can be in our North-American biased medias) and depending on your sources you are basically having your opinion made for you by someone else.

If you watched the same news channel every night, and every night they'd bash Dubya's decisions, most likely you wouldn't vote for him. But that doesn't make you an idiot, which is what ID was saying.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that point. Hell, I said as much in my last post.



Perhaps not an idiot, but definitly not informed.

Being a spelling nazi doesn't do anything except instigate people, so really, don't do it, especially when you typed "from" wrong right after that. You benefited because you twisted my post into saying that I thought all liberals are bimbos and teachers, and I really have no idea where the hell you got that. I explained what I meant in my last post. Also, I never, ever said their vote didn't count. I only said that you shouldn't take their word as if they were channeling god.

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I didn't vote. I'm not American and never will be, and even so, whether someone tells me who to vote for, that doesn't discredit my or any one else's opinion of the political parties in question.

Nothing invalidates a vote, much less the reason the person voted for the party they did. No one gives a **** if Chapelle said to vote for somebody, and even if people did listen to him and voted accordingly, their vote still counts.

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Ok, I’m sorry, I guess saying 'valid vote' was a misnomer. what I was saying was that one should be informed before having an opinion, and despite your obvious distaste for me, I think you would agree. seeing a commercial with an actor saying "vote for Kerry for no other reason then that I said so!" and then taking their word as gold is not being an informed voter. It’s the same if someone saw a 'Vote for bush' commercial of the same genre and decided Bush was the savior of western civilization from that alone. they are not informed voters.

Voting is a show of opinion, and opinions can be bad, if they are uninformed. you could have the opinion that Kerry has an IQ of 36, but that would be a bad one because he's obviously a very intelligent man. See where I’m going with this? It’s the same as the thread earlier about Thrawn flipping a coin to decide. yes, his vote is perfectly valid, a government agent didn't jump out of a bush, confiscate the coin, and remove his voting rights, but that doesn't mean that deciding that way was a good thing to do.



Don't take well to getting attacked? I think you should check who did the first attacking, sir. Saying I called all liberals Bimbos and teachers and that their votes don't count was, at the least, a tad offensive, especially when I didn't mean that at all, and had you seriously read that, you would have gotten my real point.



Ok, I could have let the nazi bit go because you were angry, but you just had to bring up post count, didn't you? What the hell does that have to do with anything except to make you seem immature? If you must know, I have 2261 posts, this is a new name of mine (no, I’m not freelancer!) but that doesn't mean ****, I’m no better then you because I post more. sheesh.

My statement just says that I don't agree with what you said. Your statement is an attack.


Spelling "from" as "rom" is obviously a typo. "Benefit" as "benifit" is obviously a mistake.




I seriously don't give a ****, I was just pissed off. 27 or 2000 posts, whichever, you still don't go attacking people cause they disagree with you. If I had attacked you I wouldn't be complaining.

Um, ok, so i made one spelling mistake in my post? I’m sorry I’m not perfect and didn't spell check. If you want, go over all my posts and find all my spelling mistakes and show them on this thread, I’m sure there's a good number. Still doesn’t mean anything.

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I seriously don't give a ****, I was just pissed off. 27 or 2000 posts, whichever, you still don't go attacking people cause they disagree with you. If I had attacked you I wouldn't be complaining.

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You did not disagree with me, you didn't read my post, and you took a little out of context bit and spun it into that i think liberal's votes 'don't count'. it was an attack.

While I have great respect to all of the moderate liberals here who don't interfere with the other side, I will say this. Bleeding heart liberal can also be spelled this way: S-O-R-E L-O-S-E-R. Honestly, just look at what this thread was originally supposed to be for, and look at the many ways that it has been hijacked and violated. If you have qualms about what's going on here, or want to post off topic, start your own thread. If we can't even be civil to our fellow countrymen, imagine how we will deal with other countries in the future. Maybe I should be worrying about that draft...

I like Bush because he is our president. That is all.

Nightwind, considering this thread has pretty much the same content as the one's pre-election I think calling the Liberals here sore losers is grasping at straws. But then again you've been here a whole of 3 days and you're already telling people that their opinions are irrefutably wrong, so I don't think we can expect too much of you.

Oh and because Sine is probably itching to ban me after that display of borderline un-civility, I'd like to contribute by saying I liked the way Bush was able to get along with Putin better than any of the previous post-Gorbachev American and Russian leaders had been able to get along.


Not saying I wouldn't do her, just no-one asked...

It's called America, Avenger. Why think when we can make machines to think for us? Hyuk hyuk.

I like Bush because he makes me feel a whole lot better about myself.

Whoops. I posted that after reading the last post on the second page... my bad.

If you're refering specifically to the Vote for Change tour, the people who preformed were for the most part well educated on the matter. If you listen to what they were saying, all of them had a lot more to say than simply "Bush sucks!" They didn't as much want to force their opinions down other peoples throats, but rather bring people together.

He likes bush

I wasn't refering to that, what i was refering to was jsut the general act of taking someone else's opinion as your own simply because its thier opinion. I haven't heard about the "Vote for Change' tour before. Sounds interesting. Anyway, if they were, as i assume you to mean, bring up points against bush, well, then i think that's fine (assuming it was facts against his administration, not "bush sucks because he can't talk"). You have to get your info from somewhere. the only thing i was against was not getting info.

If you don't know the material (or in this case, the person), don't make conjectures about them. Actually, I've been a member of Massassi for over a year now. Just because I haven't posted in the discussions that often dosen't mean a thing (I still read them and form my own opinions). Shut your mouth GHORG, unless you know what you're talking about.

Good thing about Bush winning:

American Industries dont have to worry about how much pollution they create because if they bribe... er pay enough taxes they can get credits for their pollution so that they can continue to pollute as long as they pay the minimum amount that might make a dent in cleaning it up. Thank God that Bush has seen the evils of the Clean Air Act and wants to take the teeth out of that bill and pass the Clear Skies Act, which in essence doesnt do anything but let the polluters pollute as much as they want to as long as they put a dollar in the coffer.

....and descend has an S.



It's true.

Consider how sour this thread got, I'm suprised it is still alive. I doubt this thread would be back on track.

I think I was smart to not come here for a few days after the election. It looks like I would have been stepping into a minefield. I'm not even going to try to catch up in this thread.