Let me start by saying I've never used Linux. However, my dad has, and he had to actually blow it away three times. PRobably his fault. As for Windows...98 wasn't bad, but had a tendancy to get a bloated and corrupt registry and FAT over the years...As did 98SE, which was better than 98. 2000, I've never used. XP works pretty good, I'd say, if you know what to disable and such.

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Yeah, it's a picture of a hot girl who wasnt wearing linux clothes at the time the picture was taken. i doubt she even knows that linux is. That's just possibly one of the stupidest images ive seen, but since she's cute, the penguin is the most stupid. worst.logo.ever.



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The Matrix Unplugged|My Portfolio|My Levels

^^ Why the Tux h8? He's so cute.

I don't hate Windows. I do, however, dislike using it. Most of my reasons for liking Linux and using it almost exclusively are my own personal likings. Honestly, it comes down to preference. I prefer Linux. I don't understand why a preference should draw so much negativity. Why is it so wrong to dislike Windows?

I like adjusting hardware settings in text config files through the console. I like being able to build my entire system from source for free and have it do everything I need it to. I like the features/customizations KDE has that I can't get on the Windows Desktop. I like the choices you get with Linux. I like the choice of Linux.

Edit: I could do a list of Windows dislikes but... meh.

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The main gripe that I have with linux is that I can't hit the ground running with it. The minute I load it up, I don't know how to do stuff that I knew how to do in Windows. Sure, i can launch mozilla and openoffice and all that, but besides that, everything that I know about windows computing is rendered utterly useless in linux. it's like having your hands tied. I use macs quite often at uni and even there I don't have this problem b/c OSx is not THAT much different than windows operation-wise.


In linux, you have to compile programs yourself (at least that's the conclusion I arrived at after looking unsucessfully for the linux equivalent of a .exe file in the tar.gz folder. ). You don't have to worry about stuff like that in windows b/c it's already done for you and you can get to work immediately. I appreciate open source, but not at the cost of my productivity.

after struggling with linux for a few days, I formatted and reinstalled winxp pro, and i've been using it ever since. I expected a learning curve, but going from windows to linux is a 90-degree slant from my experience. I haven't completely alienated myself from linux-- I still have the install discs and I planm to install it again when I have time to learn it properly, like during summer break.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

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Why does the Linux/Windows war get so flammable? Because of nerds with way too much time on their hands. Massassi has a few of its own (on both sides) whom, to promote peace and hopefully flame-proof this thread, shall remain nameless.

Namely, its the long debated method of gauging one's penis size over the internet. The average Windows user doesn't know or care what the hell Linux is. They're still mystified by the idea that they can create a shortcut to something on their desktop AND THEN FILL THE ENTIRE DESKTOP UP WITH MULTIPLE COPIES OF SAID SHORTCUT JUST TO MAKE SURE ONE OF THEM WORKS.

Computer nerds, on the other hand, are typically lacking in terms of social life and girlfriends, and thus their computer becomes their ultimate expression of exactly how well endowed they are. Linux nerds think that using a GUI slapped over a (really robust) command-line based OS is the nerd equivalent of being Ron Jeremy, whereas Windows nerds basically believe that, although we may not like it, Microsoft is pretty much the de facto standard, and thus why bother with learning Linux when we could just be doing stuff with (relatively) the same interface we've been accustomed to for almost a decade now.

Thus, these two fairly small groups of computer geeks (myself an admitted member) scream at one another, constantly trying to convince the perhaps 3 real live girls, who mistakenly wandered into a forum discussion looking for something completely unrelated, that they, in fact, have the bigger sex organ, and thus they are obviously the better sexual partner, blah blah blah. Meanwhile, the vast majority of moron computer users sit in Windows bashing their keyboards while attempting to make their poor workstations implode under the weight of spyware, viruses, and 600 million shortcuts to the same file on the desktop, all while being INSANELY terrified of the "magic box" in front of them.

In summary: Linux v. Windows debates + internet = neither of the people involved are getting laid anyways, so in 40 or 50 years, this issue will resolve itself due to the natural order of life. I do, however, feel for whomever they're buried next to... Can you imagine an eternity's worth of "OMG LINUX" or "OMG WINDOWS"?

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I think the more pertinent question is, what is the name of the girl in that picture?

Did you find it to be worse, or just that you didn't know how to do things? I mean... honestly.... you couldn't have known how to do everything in Windows the first time you ran it. I do agree that being a beginner at something when you're comfortable with the alternative is tough.



I personally feel that a good package management system is vital to any Linux distro. If you aren't using a source-based distro (Gentoo, etc), manually installing from source shouldn't happen too often. Even then... compiling source really isn't as daunting of a task as it sounds. As long as the source is build-error-free, './configure; make; make install' as root is honestly all you need to type in most cases.

If you use apt-get, portage, pacman, or another package management system, you shouldn't need to do this with the more popular programs.

I also second Sine's question...

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I'll admit to Reactor CTF, Duel Abyss, Duel Turbulent, Duel Dustball, and even the CCCP, but not Sky High! (my first, be kind!) Ok so maybe I will.

He is wise.


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I was using redhat 9, which is basically one of the easiest distros (if not THE easiest).

Its a very impressive OS to be sure, but what good is that if it takes brand-new users awhile to learn how to do anything at all with it?

I was proficient enough to do basic to intermediate things in windows after about an hour on my first time, but then I had someone to give me a walkthrough of the basics. (It was in a computer lab back when I was in 7th grade, I just wandered in there. Up until that time, my only computer experience was limited to the use of an old apple IIe that I owned at the time.)

With linux, i'm basically on my own. I have to experiment and learn by trial and error b/c I have no one to sit down with me and teach me the basics, and even worse, the local library has nothing on redhat or any other distro, for that matter.


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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

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Funny, Windows do give me a headache now and then, but whenever a problem arises, for example a crash, virus or whatever, I always root out the problem, fix it, and make sure I set something up to ensure that problem doesn't come again. I think it makes me more knowledgable as a computer "tech", or whatever. Even my wife is amazed at how well I work on 'puters...

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Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I've stayed alive.

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Yahoo! Name : jedibruintone77

gonk, most of those windows idiots you talk about would not be able to find this site. It can be seen that the people that use windows here are those that are perfectly computer literate and are happy using windows as they dont want to compile programs. knowing the basic computer functions doesn't mean you can compile programs. that thing about windows users is the worst thing you could say in a discussion. Linux does't even have tech support so you cant get it unless you are an expert computer user. IE. you can screw with your computer without having it totaly fail.

also, hat thing about doing it to get sex, that was one of the most sexist comments i ever heard. It assumes that only males are deeply involved with computers. some people actualy get in these debates to try and get them into a factual state instead of a propaganda-fest.

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Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
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I prefer Windows because it supports all my games...plain and simple.

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"His Will Was Set, And Only Death Would Break It"

"None knows what the new day shall bring him"

All i know is that she's an actress on 'Scrubs'

[Edit]er.. gender issues

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"No good can ever come from staying with normal people"
-Outlaw Star
"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW
A Knight's Tail

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Doesn't anyone enjoy both Linux and Windows? I use Gentoo and WinXP Pro. My only gripe with XP is when you reformat, if you're not careful you can be infested with worms before you've had time to reinstall your anti-virus/firewall or run Windows Update. I reinstalled XP not too long ago, and within 2 minutes of my first boot-up after installation, I had the famous blaster timer up on my screen



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um, wow. how'd you manage that? i don't even use my firewall, and i've never been hit by a worm (although i ahve had my system infested a few times, but it was always minor and my mistake)

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"No good can ever come from staying with normal people"
-Outlaw Star
"Some people play tennis. I erode the human soul"
-Tycho, Penny Arcade
"I'm a Cannabal-Vegitarian. I will BBQ an employee if there is no veggie option"
-DX:IW
A Knight's Tail

Yeah it's pretty common to get hit with MS Blaster as soon as you install Windows and go online these days since you need an update to counter it. It's easy as pie to get rid of though

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Corrupting the kiddies since '97

I also like how backing up a Linux system is pretty durn easy. I have my /home directory on a separate partition, so when ever I flatten & reinstall, I only have to tar up /etc, move it over to my home directory, then reinstall.

That's the only way I'll ever have it too I used to spend a lot of time switching between different distros, trying them all out, so keeping /home separate saved me a lot of headaches

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When guitars are outlawed, only outlaws will have guitars.

Windows 98SE is extremely stable for me...

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Remnant Temple Part A beta test.
Light And Darkness

Yeah, every time I install windows, there are always at least 47 critical updates that I have to grab off of the win update site.


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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

My brother just creates versions of the XP install CD (yes he has it legally) which include all the updates at that time. I guess the next CD will be made when SP2 is released.

... Holy ****, that girl is Sarah Chalke! She was one of the daughters on Roseanne.

.. *damn*

O_o

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Don't be unwise judge me not by my size. You wont believe your eyes watch the xwing rise!

Sine, there's NO way she was the blonde on Roseanne. She's like...30-40 now. She was 20 or so in the 80s or 90s. That girl is...yah...wow. Anyways. Windows--great for the average user if patched right. Linux--great for the above-average user, if manipulated right. Nuff said.

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Eye color is wrong, Sine. That girl's dark-eyed; look at any picture of Sarah and you'll see she's blue-eyed.

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"To believe in God means to see that the facts of the world are not the end of the matter."
"Egotist: a person more interested in himself than in me."
"And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up."

She's Sarah Chalke. Sarah Chalke was on Roseanne. She replaced the first blond chick

There's no way man. She looks nothing like her--too frelling hawt.

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Don't tell me that Windows XP doesn't crash, I've gotten multiple BSoDs from it. And yes, the thing used to freeze on me. Many times.

My dad still uses Windows 98 and he gets BSoDs frequently. His system tray is loaded with startup crap, and Internet Explorer is infested with spyware. He just got a trojan yesterday. Also, the computer randomly hangs for about 10 seconds for no reason when I go to certain folders.

I'm on Gentoo Linux right now. It kicks ***. Why?

• Because of Portage, my system is always current and GCC optimized
• WineX
• 2.6 kernel
• Never crashes
• Geforce 4 TI works beautifully.

I would never even consider installing Windows XP again, even on a seperate partition.

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I have tried linux, Not long enough to get used to it but I couldn't use it for long because it wont let me run games that's what it boils down to for me. Also with windows, I can quickly find a solution to any problem I have either by looking on microsoft which is actually very good for support or by using google and seeing what the other million people who had the problem did. With linux, I found any help a lot less user friendly, Also I could not get my sound to work in 5.1 I could only get stereo sound which meant I could not even watch DVD's as well as I could in windows. Windows, despite its flaws, is a good operating system and one which I plan on using until someone makes a better one which can suite my needs.

and who is that girl?

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[This message has been edited by TheJkWhoSaysNi (edited April 14, 2004).]

Windows XP is pretty much stable for me. Although Windows ME is a whole different story...still I continue to use it since it is the most supported OS. As for that girl, I don't watch Roseanne so I don't really know her. She's 28 though, if you guys are wondering.

Not to sound like a Windows fanboy or antyhing, As I have no problem with Linux, to each his own, but...Don't you think maybe the reason he has so much problems could be because he never really performed proper maintenence on the machine? For it to be that loaded up with spyware and loading programs, and him to not do anything, it's no wonder he has problems.

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I will tell you it doesn't crash because the computer i use has only ever had hardware related crashes for no reson. All of my other crashes were due to bugs in games i play or stuff-ups in the code of an exe.

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your curiosity will get the better of YOU one day.
Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
Spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'
Snail racing: (500 posts per line)-@%

You know, you shouldn't have to 'mantinence' an OS just to clean all the crap/spyware/viruses every week... Maybe if Microsoft bothered to take preliminary security precations this wouldn't be a problem (*cough*default-user-is-root*cough*)

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mabye windows gets viruses because it does not vary on every computer. Also, clean out every week should be done anyway, it helps keep your computer in prime condition.

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your curiosity will get the better of YOU one day.
Jon`C:Irony is spelling 'quality' poorly.
Spork:Well I think 'Irony is spelling grammar poorly'
Snail racing: (500 posts per line)-@%

I have yet to get a BsoD on this install of winxp. Its actually quite stable on my machine. I once left it running for a week just for the hell of it, and i didn't get one BsoD during that time. I've had apps crash, but the whole damn OS has never quit on me. I've had times where it won't boot and the only solution is to reinstall, but about 2 hours later I'm back on my feet. Installing windows gets easier the more times you do it.

I've never used ME, but win98 is more or less the same basic OS as Win ME and it was bloody awful in terms of crashing. XP, for all its flaws, is a major improvement. I'm keeping Xp for the moment. Windows longhorn and it's TC components can all go to hell.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited April 14, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited April 14, 2004).]

Well, security isn't really a cause of contracting spyware or adware. It's generally either porn sites or filesharing software, with an extremely rare e-mail.

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"To believe in God means to see that the facts of the world are not the end of the matter."
"Egotist: a person more interested in himself than in me."
"And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up."

Well put.

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Every week, right. I update windows as soon as I install it and then maybe every few months. Works fine for me. I'm on 56k and even I don't see running Windows update every few months as a chore, it takes sod all time and a reboot, who cares? My Win2k install is 8 months old, virus free, never crashes, runs smoothly and requires very little maintenance. So either I'm just an informed user or very 'lucky'...I'm willing to bet which one you're going to say.

I'm happy you love Linux mystic, I have nothing against it, but your crusade against Windows is hard to take seriously at times.

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Cantina Cloud | BCF | The Massassian 1, 2 & 3 | Gonkmeg
Corrupting the kiddies since '97

But you shouldn't have to do that every week. And don't tell me that spyware comes soly from porn sites, because that's just not true.

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