Me showing concern over what you are saying would be me showing essentially the same attitude you are in every post I've made. What I've done is not show concern over what you think, but instead show a different side that you seem to be completely failing to see or even consider. The edited post, was me expressing a very strong opinion about you based upon the other posts you'd made up to that point which, by my standards, were really quite sillly (meh. Let's make sure I don't need that edited.)

If I was concerning myself with what you thought, my posts would be quite a bit different.

Nice try.

Wow, I wish I would've come into this thread a lot earlier. Most of what I wanted to add has already been said, but I'll add what hasn't.



I'm sorry Bill, I just find this statement to be a wee bit short-sighted. Can't you acknowledge that they have different tastes rather than bad tastes? Especially when it's a band like U2 or The Beatles, who do have musical talent and prowess, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I'm not saying that The Edge can play Kirk Hammet riffs or vice versa, but both can play the guitar and create melodic sounds. Just because somebody hates bluegrass music, does that mean that the players have no talent? Or country for that matter?

Now, at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I can understand if you said the same about certain artists who sample others' work or who have others write and play their songs for them. I for one hate rap and I don't like Dance/Trance. However, I do acknowledge that rappers can rhyme pretty well (those that try), and some can sing fairly well. I respect those that can rap really fast without becoming tongue-tied. Dance music is a little bit different, but it takes some talent as well. Not every person could sit down at a computer and create rhythms and melodies that others can dance to.

Again, at the risk of sounding hypocritcal as a result of this post, I wouldn't judge people based on whether they conform to society or whether or not they listen to certain music. I try to get to know the person more before forming an opinion about them. I realize it's difficult sometimes (heck, I can't help but form an opinion whenever I walk past the "Hot Topic" kids, and it usually isn't favorable), but I try to look past first impressions and get to know the person. I realize that stereotypes exist for a reason, and I admit I frequently encounter people who match the first impression I have of them, but it isn't always so. Sorry if this all sounds a bit condescending. I don't mean it to be.

About the whole iPod debate: we've had it several times before. iPod's are not a necessity, nowhere near it, but you have to admit, they are very convinient. I'll be the first to point to the Penny Arcade strip regarding iPods, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want one for my own. It is very, very convenient to have all your music stored in one place. These people that have iPods don't need to worry about changing CDs around, burning compilation discs, or searching through media to find what they want to listen to. They can listen to whatever they fancy whenever they fancy it, which is highly convenient.

Though I would like an iPod, it won't really be necessary. Last Christmas I got an all-in-one digital camera/digital comcorder/mp3 player. With a 512M SD card, it's all I need. I for one enjoy mixing and matching my music around on the SD card every couple of weeks. I realize not everyone does. Hence the iPod. Heck, I wouldn't mind if an iPod appeared at my front door, as I would be able to store a lot more music that I enjoy, and wouldn't have to reformat the SD card every time I wanted to take video or pictures. Also, battery life kind of sucks on the camera, as does browsing through songs. iPod scroll button > *. But what I have suffices for now.

As for cell phones, well, they're useful to have. Emergencies and such. Heck, my cell phone has replaced my home phone. When I move into my own house next year, the plan is to avoid even having a landline and paying twice for the same service. Then again, I'm not one of those people that uses their cellphone everywhere they go, and that refuse to turn it off. That's why they made voicemail. If you do want to rant about cellphones though, I'll give you a good topic: Speakerphone on cellphones. And the people who believe it's absolutely necessary to utilize it everywhere they go. That's a trend that needs to stop.

Sorry to burst a few of you guys' bubble, but cell phones are necessary to everyday life.

I couldn't live without mine.

I got a cell phone for Christmas. I've called one person with it.

Chaz, I'll notify the major networks: but you do realise that once they hear that Chaz Ghostle of all people has only made one cell phone call, you'll trigger a global telecommunication meltdown? Can you handle that responsibility just to make your point?!

I love my iPod. I have an iTrip for listening to it in the car which is fabngroovy, as there are no decent stations in my area (Im too far from london for virgin or Xfm). I use it to DJ parties by hooking it up through the sound systems in both my houses. I bought it not because of the adverts, but because i had seen them in action, and realised they rock. I have an hour of walking to do every day at uni at the least, sometimes two, and that doesn't include the hours i can have to spend alone at a computer in the labs. For me it has become an essential sanity tool this year.

And my phone is primarily used at the moment for organising piss-ups with my mates and keeping in touch with my girlfrind till we get back to durham. Also for emergencies. If it wasn't for my lady, it'd get left at home most of the time.

Rant over about the stuff since i went sleeping, and I thought we'd covered all this crap about musical opinions 8 hours ago!!

*exhales*

Unless you're a doctor or a drug dealer, there is no necessity for a cellphone.

A agree with Bill on most of his points. Most. The one thing that I would like to stress though, is that not everything has to be done out of necessity. Even though nothing he said has directly stated this, all of you seem to enjoy inferring whatever you want from his statements. You're reading them thinking that there is only one possible mindset that he could be coming from. That's the ultimate point he's getting at.

And for the record, U2 does suck now. They can still play their instruments, yes. That is a talent. They can do it well. However, their music now is dull, rehashed, and uninspired. That isn't to say that you can't enjoy it, but on the grand scale of U2, this album does indeed suck.

**********In my opinion***********

I never really liked U2, and right now Bono needs a good slap, but that's an aside.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not.

And Bill, my god, how aren't you locked up yet?

Guess he only does this on the internet

This has gone way beyond the scope of anything I seem to care about, but I had to correct SAJN...

I generally agree with Maddox, or at least think he's funny. I have to say I disagree with him on this matter. I enjoy U2's music, past and present.

Sorry to correct you, but you're wrong.

Of course I am joking, I'm just stressing how much I rely on mine on a day to day basis. The thought of having to come home just to see who called and what they needed just flat out sucks.

That's why you just don't own a phone at all. If it would be possible to hold a job without some kind of phone, I wouldn't own one.

I think the cellphone thing is more a matter of personality. Some people can't go five minutes without some form of contact with another human, while I, for instance, could go for days. I guess profession could play some role in it as well.

Some of us routinely go for weeks without human contact.

Touché, Yoshi.