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2005-02-21, 1:07 AM #1
If someone smokes Ciggarettes and ends up dieing from it, would they goto hell for "committing suicide"?!

These people SMOKE of their own accord. And when they do, this MARKS their body... and if you are catholic, you are not allowed to mark your body (tatoos etc.) because your body belongs to god, and it is not yours. Putting Tar perminately in your lungs, I would concider, ruining them.

Also, if you are not catholic, what would be the difference in drowning yourself in TAR, or merely suffocating yourself to smoking?!

I really don't care about the answer of these questions since I am an athiest.. I just think it'll make an interresting conversation.
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2005-02-21, 1:10 AM #2
People have been having this discussion since it was discovered smoking was bad for you. It's really not interesting at all.
"I got kicked off the high school debate team for saying 'Yeah? Well, **** you!'
... I thought I had won."
2005-02-21, 1:12 AM #3
whoops, my bad.. I could of swore I thought it was interresting...
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2005-02-21, 1:13 AM #4
you know what would be interesting?

a potatoe.
2005-02-21, 1:17 AM #5
What's this have to do with faqs? Man those faqs get hated upon so much...
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2005-02-21, 1:20 AM #6
what do you mean? EVERYONE loves Frequently Asked Questions.... unless you are the one answering them... uggggghhhh
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2005-02-21, 1:24 AM #7
People don't die from smoking ciggarettes they die from lung cancer :P

And, I suppose because smokers don't smoke on intentionally getting lung cancer, it would not qualify as "committing suicide".
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2005-02-21, 1:26 AM #8
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OH SNAP
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2005-02-21, 1:44 AM #9
Zanardi, they know that it shortens life expectancy.. just like shooting yourself in the head... smoking just doesn't do it as quickly.... people know that
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2005-02-21, 1:45 AM #10
Your diet also affects your life expectancy.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2005-02-21, 1:48 AM #11
True, but you need food to live.. granted, you don't need mcdonalds everyday... but you don't NEED TAR at all... and I don't think McDonald's is quite as bad as Smoking... And diet really doesn't MARK your body.. unless you get blocked blood vessels... hmmm and I know what you're gonna say.. "I don't think Smoking is as bad for you as a gun shot to the face is." and I agree, but I don't know where I am going with this post.
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2005-02-21, 2:09 AM #12
Fine, I'll bite.

When you smoke a cigarette, it isn't guaranteed that you'll die from it, even though other people have died from it.

You know people die in car crashes every day, right? But does that stop you from getting in a car? If you die in a car crash, knowing that other people have died in car crashes, are you commiting suicide?
"I got kicked off the high school debate team for saying 'Yeah? Well, **** you!'
... I thought I had won."
2005-02-21, 2:28 AM #13
Cars serve a purpose for convince, not absolutely necessary, but smoking serves NO purpose whatsoever, convince or otherwise.
The tired anthem of a loser and a hypocrite.
2005-02-21, 2:45 AM #14
yes, but those are accidents... the only way it would be the same is if riding in a car would slowly kill you.. we arn't talking about usingsome risky product.. we're talking about an instrument of self destruction... it's like when someone OD's on drugs.. that is suicide.... and if you don't agree.. then just think about all those people that commit suicide by ODing on sleeping pills.... sleeping pills are drugs.. so why should illegal drugs be any different... it's all the same thing.
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2005-02-21, 2:52 AM #15
then again, [url]www.dictionary.com[/url] says

su·i·cide
n.

1. The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.

Meaning you INTENDED to kill yourself... if someone smokes, they don't INTEND to kill themselves... they just know it will happen... same with ODing on drugs...

they don't INTENT to die..they intend to get high.. (that rhymes HA!!!)
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2005-02-21, 2:52 AM #16
tar comes back up after a while.
2005-02-21, 5:08 AM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Spiral
1. The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
)


Key word there is intentionally. The intent of smoking is enjoyment, not to kill yourself.
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2005-02-21, 5:21 AM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Emon
What's this have to do with faqs? Man those faqs get hated upon so much...

Fags, not faqs. :\
2005-02-21, 5:40 AM #19
Quote:
Originally posted by Spiral
... and if you are catholic... your body belongs to god, and it is not yours...


I thought God was interested in soul, not body. Does this mean that when a catholic dies, his soul disappears, and his soulless body goes to heaven? :rolleyes:

Well, you always learn something new...
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2005-02-21, 6:12 AM #20
Quote:
Originally posted by Shintock
Fags, not faqs. :\

You need this:
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Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2005-02-21, 6:14 AM #21
I think what my brother's roommate calls himself fits this - smokers are partially suicidal. ;)
"Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it."
2005-02-21, 6:25 AM #22
I sux0rs.
2005-02-21, 7:37 AM #23
Is it suicide if you pull a gun on the cops?
2005-02-21, 8:33 AM #24
Not if you can win.
"The only crime I'm guilty of is love [of china]"
- Ruthven
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2005-02-21, 10:04 AM #25
Quote:
Originally posted by Spiral
and I don't think McDonald's is quite as bad as Smoking...


I demand you go watch 'Super Size Me', now!
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2005-02-21, 10:07 AM #26
Quote:
Originally posted by Warlord
Is it suicide if you pull a gun on the cops?


In some cases, yes. In most, no. Pulling a gun on a cop is almost completely unrelated to smoking. Most of the time is someone pulls a gun on a cop, its because they really think they can get away, in which case they are more crazy than anything.


Everyone is trying to compare smoking something you know is hurting you to things that you aren’t sure will hurt you. Car accidents are exactly what they say they are, accidents. No body gets into a car accident on purpose, unless they are suicidal, or crazy. The difference is that you know what happens when you smoke, and yet you continue for no reason other than to feed your addiction. When you drive a car, you want to get somewhere, and if somewhere along the line you hit another car, you aren’t suicidal. Now, I am also not sure if the word suicidal is the best

Note: Any "you" or "your" used was not intended for any person, also I have nothing against smokers at all, hell, my dad smoke and it isn't like I hate him, I just don't understand it.
The tired anthem of a loser and a hypocrite.
2005-02-21, 10:09 AM #27
Quote:
Originally posted by Spiral
If someone smokes Ciggarettes and ends up dieing from it, would they goto hell for "committing suicide"?!

These people SMOKE of their own accord. And when they do, this MARKS their body... and if you are catholic, you are not allowed to mark your body (tatoos etc.) because your body belongs to god, and it is not yours. Putting Tar perminately in your lungs, I would concider, ruining them.

Also, if you are not catholic, what would be the difference in drowning yourself in TAR, or merely suffocating yourself to smoking?!

I really don't care about the answer of these questions since I am an athiest.. I just think it'll make an interresting conversation.

You just saw Constantine, didn't you. :p
2005-02-21, 10:46 AM #28
Quote:
Originally posted by BurrBoy
No body gets into a car accident on purpose...


People get lung cancer on purpose?

You don't need to use a car. You could walk. You choose to drive because it gets you there better than anything else. People who smoke do so because it calms them better than anything else.

I know the comparison isn't perfect. Bare with me. Yes, there is a better chance of dying from smoking, but it's not like you expect to die from the very first puff. A smoker being told he/she has cancer may very well still be as suprise as you or I would be if a car was coming at us.
"I got kicked off the high school debate team for saying 'Yeah? Well, **** you!'
... I thought I had won."
2005-02-21, 10:47 AM #29
is leaving the fridge door open considered planet murder?
2005-02-21, 10:51 AM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Z@NARDI
People don't die from smoking ciggarettes they die from lung cancer :P

And, I suppose because smokers don't smoke on intentionally getting lung cancer, it would not qualify as "committing suicide".


haha yeah. and if i fired a gun and the bullet hit you, cardiac arrest from a bullet to the heart killed you, not me.
2005-02-21, 10:53 AM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Stafford
is leaving the fridge door open considered planet murder?


You're keeping the microwave door open too right? Gotta balance stuff out bro.
"The only crime I'm guilty of is love [of china]"
- Ruthven
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2005-02-21, 11:58 AM #32
Quote:
Originally posted by Cazor
haha yeah. and if i fired a gun and the bullet hit you, cardiac arrest from a bullet to the heart killed you, not me.


And then my ghost haunts you for the rest of your miserable life.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2005-02-21, 12:15 PM #33
hey im just saying.. thats how it works in your train of thought. didnt say it was wrong... if you agree that people dont kill people, bullets kill people, then it works.
2005-02-21, 12:22 PM #34
Since when did smoking have anything to do with going to hell?
2005-02-21, 12:55 PM #35
Going along with that thought, since when did suicide have anything to do with going to hell? :confused:
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-02-21, 12:58 PM #36
Quote:
Originally posted by Freelancer
Going along with that thought, since when did suicide have anything to do with going to hell? :confused:


Because if you kill yourself, then you go to hell. It's in the Bible
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2005-02-21, 1:00 PM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by Cazor
hey im just saying.. thats how it works in your train of thought. didnt say it was wrong... if you agree that people dont kill people, bullets kill people, then it works.


My train of thought? I dont get it.. people do die from lung cancer not smoking cigs. My grandma smoked for many many years, she stop a couple years back. She never got lung cancer and smoking cigs certainly didn't kill her.
"Nulla tenaci invia est via"
2005-02-21, 1:01 PM #38
Quote:
Originally posted by Z@NARDI
Because if you kill yourself, then you go to hell. It's in the Bible


I'm soooo glad I'm not Christian. That's ridiculous.
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-02-21, 1:06 PM #39
Amen, Freelancer.

...

Oh snap!
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2005-02-21, 1:10 PM #40
Where did my post go...? It was obviously deleted, and I don't see why. Could whoever removed it please explain?
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
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