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Genesis
2005-03-13, 7:53 PM #121
I wouldn't mind being a super intelligent seal.
Bassoon, n. A brazen instrument into which a fool blows out his brains.
2005-03-13, 9:37 PM #122
PERSONALY I WUOLD LIEK TO BE SUPAR INTELIGENT SEALANT
Moo.
2005-03-13, 9:54 PM #123
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I have to disagree based on the fact that it has been rewritten so many times. I mean, monks used to copy it by hand, and I still do question the translation and the number of times it has been translated. And translations aren't ever exactly 100%, just because they are different languages. You have have the greatest lingust in the world, you'll never get exactly 100% translation.


The fact that the Bible has been rewritten so many times is actually an argument in favour of the accuracy of our modern manuscripts. The more copies there are in circulation, the less the odds that a transcription error in one single copy is going to spread, since there's so many accurate copies to compare it to. Add to that the fact that the monks who painstakingly copied it by hand were fanatically devoted to their work, taking many hours to copy a single page, and checking it over many times in great detail before authorising it, you get a very good rate of transmission. Orders of magnitude greater than any other contemporary literature, at any rate.

Regarding translations: the reason no translation is 100% perfect is that certain words in other languages encompass different ranges of meaning than English. For instance, the Greek word pneuma means both a breath of air and a spirit or life-force. We don't have a single English word meaning all that, so we have to make do with "spirit" or "breeze" depending on the context. This is why concordances with Hebrew/Greek lexicons are so popular -- with them, you can look up the full meaning of each Hebrew/Greek word in the Bible.

So yes, while it might be harder for us English-speaking Westerners to get the full meaning of the Bible than it might have been for Greek-speaking Jews of the first century, it is possible and not really all that hard if you try. Translations like the Amplified Version do a very good job of getting at the full meaning of the original languages, by including alternate translations of certain words in brackets right in the text.

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I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I think a good reason for the question about why they lived so long, is that it was simply a mistranslation, and in reality it was months, or fortnights, or some other measure of time that we don't know about.


As I said earlier in the thread, it works out pretty well if you use months rather than years (with an average date of death being 70-ish), but the whole thing goes south when you realise that, using those calculations, most of the people would have been having kids at 8 years old.

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I'm not confusing the meanings, I guess I've not posed my question right. What water is above and below heaven (either the sky or the spiritual place)? Of course there's water below the sky, but what water is above it? And how is there any water above OR below the other Heaven?

And why in the world should I stay away from Revelations?


The waters above would be the clouds -- the source of rain. Some postulate an additional layer of water vapour surrounding the planet, like an extra ozone layer, but this is a matter of some contention within the Christian scholastic community.

As for Revelations, it can be rather confusing for modern readers because it's written in the style of first-century Apocalyptic literature, which was a highly symbolic style. It kinda has a reputation as the "most confusing book of the Bible". That's no reason to stay away from it, though -- just to be prepared. ;)
So sayest the Writer of Silly Things!
2005-03-13, 10:17 PM #124
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Originally posted by Freelancer
My point is, the universe might not have a god, but it's possible that it used to.


Heh...

And God said unto the world "Aww, screw this ****" and it was bad, and He saw that it was bad, so then he just packed up and left. Because seriously, who would want to deal with a bunch of whiny humans? In anycase, the devil then hath proceeded to say "woo" many times and rejoiced in his fiery cavern. Then EA bought the rights to hell, satan, and all other properties. Satan then began to curse profuesly. EA then Knew satan many times using the law, and the devil ceased to protest.

And by "knew" I mean the other version of knew in the bible. Wakka Wakka... :p
2005-03-14, 12:51 AM #125
If ever there was a time for the Religion forums to be existant, now is that time.
"Staring into the wall does NOT count as benchmarking."


-Emon
2005-03-14, 1:14 AM #126
Oh come on, this is a very mild religious thread compared to most others that have been.
KOP_blujay
Just dancin'...and singin'...in the Force.
2005-03-14, 4:09 AM #127
I know. But this is that time, since the removal of the forum. :p
"Staring into the wall does NOT count as benchmarking."


-Emon
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