Yeah I really don't care. It's just one of those things best kept to one's self, or for a certain place and time. That really goes for heterosexuals too.

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Yeah, but that's different from a simple rally--I've seen lots of perfectly fine rallies where I live. Public indecency (by its legal defenition, whatever that may be exactly) shouldn't be allowed by anyone, but if the police tried to stop them they would be considered homophobic. That's how political correctness works.

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You realize that practically every cable/satelite station is geared toward a specific audience? MTV/VH1/FUSE etc are mostly for the teenage/young adult demographic, and have programming for that group. The History channel is for people who are interested in history. Spike TV is "TV for Men;" Lifetime is "TV for Women." B.E.T. or the gay channel (whatever it is) show programming that would be of interest to African Americans or homosexuals. It's perfectly logical, and I don't see a problem with it.

A white channel, on the other hand- well, "white" is too large a group to target.



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All the prism in the world couldn't make hue.

i'm still waiting for D.E.T. (Demon Entertainment Channel)

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

Glad to see SAJN has grown up a little... Wasnt he vehemently against homosexuality in the last few gay threads?

No sarcasm intended, I am honestly glad to see people can change.

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There is no spoon.

He hasn't really changed, he just has learned to mask his opinions so it doesn't piss people off.

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All the prism in the world couldn't make hue.

Which is what the vast majority of people do. And that's good.

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Well, it's not bad, but I wouldn't say it's good either.

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Because you're as bored as I am
"This world is made of love and peace!"
"Let's live today, let's live tomorrow, and let's live the day after that, even if it means living in eternal pain."
- Vash the Stampede

It depends on the persona, not sexuality or any crap like that.

So that's why consider this thread bored (yes, bored):

CTRL-V:

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Blah, no one should care about it. I dont see why certain people find it to be so bad.

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Because it's not right, in the sense that other forms of perversion are not right? Although as long as the two people are consenting and do it behind closed doors, I really have no problem with them.

I hate homosexuality and feel it is very wrong. How does that make me ignorant? I don't think it does. It's my opinion. I'm not saying it should be outlawed or anything, but anyone who doesn't participate in homosexuality obviously deep down inside feels it is wrong, or they would do it.

Give me all the crap you want about rights and yadda yadda, but / d.saf lasjdr2349623 O_o

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Freelancer

Well, for some people, it's the whole deal about their religion's "values and beliefs" that make them scared of/against/hate homosexuality.

I don't see any problems with homosexuality. For the most part, I'm indifferent. I personally don't really want some guy to come up and hit on me, but that's just because I don't swing that way. It's not like I'd be mad about it. I'd more than likely take it as a compliment.

Thats a interesting point, even though I don't really agree. Since I think homosexuality is primarily a biological trait, I don't see it as wrong, its just something that occurs less frequently. Like left-handedness vs right-handedness.

Sure your predispostion to be attracted to a certain sex is obviously a little more complicated, but its still a physical trait, not a choice.

You're entitled to your opinion, and yes, that's a common one. The way I look at it, it's more like smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol. It's really not natural or very good for your body, but it grows on you, until you become "addicted" for lack of a better term. That's why it appears not to be a choice. IMO, it's as much a choice to be gay as it is to quit smoking..

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Freelancer

That couldn't be further from the truth. There's alot of people (like me) who don't see anything wrong with homosexuality but are still not attracted to the same sex. Just because I don't have sex with guys doesn't mean I think it's wrong.

What if you didn't like nachos dipped in ketsup, would you concider it immoral for other people to eat nachos with ketsup if they enjoyed it?

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...that's a pretty silly sweeping statement. Just because -I- am not attracted to men doesn't mean I have even the slightest of issues with other guys feeling differently.

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i could get into a discussion about it not being natural but it wouldn't be entirely appropriate on these forums

one does not choose to be gay... you can't just one day wake up and say "i think i'll be gay from now on"

i'm hoping this will be the last serious post i make on this thread

oh and we are all gay... the question to ask yourself is "how gay am i?"

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[This message has been edited by DrkJedi82 (edited April 27, 2004).]

And what exactly is your opinion based on? Homosexuality is not contagious.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

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That's so... Wrong. Physical and mental attraction are not things which you can control, they just happen.

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The Massassi-Map
There is no spoon.

Don't you think that after all they make their parades just because of fun?

We here in Germany have something called "love parade" (tough it's forbidden now), it was one of the biggest techno parades in the world, and it wasn't so much for pride... and these gay parades aren't much different from this... ( I hate techno, perhaps I just want to say all its listeners are gay? nooooo! )

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How do you explain homosexuality in other animals, then?
Insects have very high rates of homosexuality (it works as survival of the fittest, as during population booms homosexual insects would survive better, and then when the population decreases again the heterosexual insect repopulate), and there is evidence of homosexuality in other mammals too.

[Edit: Not that that suggests that homosexuality is biological in humans, though. It could still be a social construction. Even so, that doesn't make a 'choice'. You don't choose your class, or the family you're born into or the culture you're brought up in, but none of that is 'natural'.
Your argument works fine, if it weren't for other animals being homosexual. Unless they somehow choose their sexuality?]

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I don't think Animals know they're homosexual or not. They just stick their little weenies in anything with a hole and hope a baby pops out. Humans screw for fun, usually. I think, sex with someone of the same sex is a choice, but actually loving someone enough to want to have children is enough for anyone, whether they're the same sex or not.

That's why I say, if someone's gay just because they like screwing people of the same gender, then they've choose to be homosexual, usually. (Some do love people, but just have as bad luck as strait people do with commitment, and end up just having a bunch of one night stands :-()
But those who set up with someone, who plan to addopt or birth a child, those who really do love their partner... Well, they have every right to live life as anyone else, as long as they're being honest with the world, and themselves.

And just in-case none of you knew, I'm pretty much bisexual. It's not like I go out and date guys, but I'd have no problem accepting it if I loved a guy, it just happens. Now watch, everyone is going to explode and tell me I'm crazy. Guess my dorking days in the chat are over :-P

JediKirby

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Frankly, I'm a little bored of the whole thing.
Gay, Bi, whatever, just stfu.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

Okay, okay, I'm not saying getting homosexual inclinations or temptations are not natural. It's as natural as getting the temptation to look at porn or something. Your CHOICE lies in whether or not you act on that inclination, and thus, it's a choice.

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Freelancer

Why should you try to oppress that inclination?
Hetrosexuals haven't done that since the Victorian sexual suppression; and they all had huge orgies behind closed doors.

Why shouldn't he? It's his choice to give into those temptations or to abstain from them.

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Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent.

-R.D. Laing

... It's about as much of a choice as a person has in choosing his or her race.


-Fox

Indeed.

Some people are gay, some people are not. It's not worth getting worked up over - get on with your life, and let them get on with theirs. I'm sure I've heard Jon'C or Jaiph say around here before, "Tolerance people, tolerance".

I don't think a truer word's been spoken.

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If I feel hungry, I go eat cake.
I don't oppress those desires, which should I oppress sexual desires?

And I agree. But simply because you tolerate something doesn't mean you have to agree with it.
I, personally, think homosexuality is sinful and a choice. However, it's not my place to try and change other people's viewpoints so that they agree with mine. I'll tolerate you, but in turn, you tolerate me.



Because it's his choice? I mean, it's not adversely affecting your life in any way; why should you care whether he chooses to be gay or not?

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Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent.

-R.D. Laing

Because some people feel that cake is fattening and homosexuality is immoral. THERE'S YOUR ANSWER. And frankly, being called "intolerant" because I think homosexuality is immoral is not appropriate. Who are you to tell me I am not tolerant of homosexuals? It's like restraining yourself from that guy who raped your sister. You don't really like what happened, but you're still tolerant (to the point of not hunting the guy down).

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

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What did I ever do to you?

Freelancer, you should tell that to a homosexual. He'll laugh in your face and walk away.

Hey... I just whooped some 12 quenkers' asses in SWG. I've never done that before without buffs.

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[This message has been edited by Schming (edited April 28, 2004).]

... So you're equating homosexuality to rape?

I am not gay and never will be gay but I don't think it's wrong. I'm just not into it(though it is fun as hell to act like a stereotypical gay). Also, lesbian porn is big industry for a reason: straight men like it.

my response is kind of off topic: Because sexual desires(whither gay or straight) have a better chance of being dangerous.

Freelancer has a point. Tolerating and accepting are two different things. You can tolerate someone or something while still thinking it's wrong or stupid.

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Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a *****?

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No, I'm just using an example you can relate to, since you obviously don't have the need to merely "tolerate" homosexuality.

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Have a good one,
Freelancer

Perhaps you could use a more relevant analogy? What are you trying to imply about me with this statement?

I get what Freelancer is saying, but it's confusing as hell and I'm trying to put it into words. I'll get back to you.

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Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a *****?

Okay. Here goes.

I was originally going to write an analogy to the effect of having negative feelings toward homosexuality, yet tolerating it at the same time. I was going to elaborate on how some mental and emotional restrainiment was necessary on my part.

Because that's probably a poor analogy to use in a discussion with people who feel homosexuality is just fine, as well as the fact that it's not really an analogy since it's the topic of discussion, I decided to change it to something we can all relate to.

Yes, my example of rape is more severe than I feel homosexuality to be. But .. so what? I never implied it to be equal in severity. The reason it's so harsh is so that all of us can relate to it. In other words, the main reason I chose that analogy is because (most likely) without a doubt, no one is going to sympathize with the raper, so that I could hopefully describe to everyone out there that that is an inkling of how I feel about homosexuality.

If you thought I meant that I think rape is on par with homosexuality, I'm sorry. As for what I'm trying to imply about you with my last comment: don't worry, I wasn't implying anything about you. It was just (poorly) trying to say what I'm saying right now. (That since you probably don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, you don't have to "wrongly" tolerate it like I do).


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