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If ANH takes place 19 years AFTER RotS...
2005-05-22, 4:25 PM #41
I still don't understand why palpitine told Vader that he killed Padme. :confused:
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2005-05-22, 4:26 PM #42
well they were trying to keep the pregnancy secret, so maybe they never had it checked on.... at least by a well known doctor.
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2005-05-22, 4:42 PM #43
Quote:
Originally posted by MBeggar
well they were trying to keep the pregnancy secret, so maybe they never had it checked on.... at least by a well known doctor.


Maybe the Queen knew, hence the "Once I have the kids, I don't think the Queen will let me continue workng in the senate." or whatever.

As far as him telling Vader, it's to make him angrier, thus making him more into the Dark Side.
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2005-05-22, 4:48 PM #44
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Originally posted by Ewoklover
I still don't understand why palpitine told Vader that he killed Padme. :confused:

Palp - 'hey, i tried to help you save her, and you went and f-ed it up'
Vader - "Sorry"
Palp - 'no apologies, go clean the toliets, *****'


Palp didn't want Vader to think he had someone to take over the Empire with, lo and behold, Vader finds Luke, proposes to kill Palp ASAP. Vader/Anakin offered the same idea to Padme, she refuses because of the younglings being killed (i hate that word now will no one use the word children?). Vader/Anakin gets pissed and uses ze finger choke
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2005-05-22, 4:48 PM #45
Palpatine informs Vader that he killed his wife, plunging him further into self-hatred and despair and bringing him deeper into the Dark Side.

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Originally posted by Genki
(i hate that word now will no one use the word children?)


The Younglings were a specific group of children being trained in the Force.
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2005-05-22, 7:36 PM #46
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Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
OK,
Living in a sea port, I've seen single ships built one year, and then 5 like it built in the next. Once you put together the technologies to build one death star, you can use the docking bays and assembly stations, instead of having to build those first in order to build the death star. Not to mention, even if the empire was confident in their design, that doesn't mean they'd shovel all of their resources into it. I'm sure the empire didn't have enough power and control in the galaxy to just shovel all resources into an experimental and untested battle station. It had to be built slow enough so that the rest of the empire could be funded and continued.

And the second deathstar was fully operational; that's all. It was far from COMPLETE. That explains it's ramshackle design.

JediKirby


So we got a sneak peak at the Maw facility at the end of Ep3, then?

Also, if the Emperor claimed to have brought peace and order to the galaxy, why would he be running around with planet-destroying battlestations?
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2005-05-22, 7:41 PM #47
Quote:
Originally posted by Lord_Grismath
So we got a sneak peak at the Maw facility at the end of Ep3, then?

Also, if the Emperor claimed to have brought peace and order to the galaxy, why would he be running around with planet-destroying battlestations?


Because he's an EVIL S.O.B.
2005-05-22, 7:57 PM #48
I still don't understand how Anakin went from looking like he was 6 in Ep 1, to being 19 in Ep II, while Padme, whom he marries (sketchball!), never ages. She looks 17 in Ep 1, when she is actually 14. She is anikin's age in Ep II. Eh?
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2005-05-22, 9:56 PM #49
BECAUSE IT'S A MOVIE AND THE ACTUAL ACTOR DIDN'T AGE THAT MUCH OVER THE PERIOD OF 6-7 YEARS
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2005-05-22, 10:36 PM #50
What I don't understand is how these people can run around using mysterious magical powers based off this "Force" that surrounds the universe and binds it together, and use laser swords and fly through space more easily than driving a car.

oh wait

IT'S A MOVIE.
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2005-05-23, 4:05 AM #51
Wait. I had never thought about this before! Leia is the same age as Luke?! It really doesn't seem like that in the OT.
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2005-05-23, 7:11 AM #52
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Originally posted by DrkJedi82
and why did it take so long to build one death star but no time at all to build the second?

Haven't you seen "Contact"?
2005-05-23, 7:30 AM #53
another thing about the death star is i believe that it was started during the clone wars, so that would make it quite hard to make, and also at the start of the empire, so it(the empire) wasnt as organized at the construction of the first one as it was during the construction of the second one.
2005-05-23, 7:53 AM #54
But look how finished it is at the end of RotS. It's like 1/4 complete.
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2005-05-23, 11:23 AM #55
Think about it, when the first Death Star was built, the whole infrastructure for building it had to be created as well. When the second Death Star was built, the infrastructure was already in place.
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2005-05-23, 9:02 PM #56
This thread makes me want to go watch the OT again.

In fact, I think I will.
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2005-05-23, 9:38 PM #57
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Originally posted by Bobbert006
Think about it, when the first Death Star was built, the whole infrastructure for building it had to be created as well. When the second Death Star was built, the infrastructure was already in place.

Not if it was even more powerful than the first...
2005-05-23, 9:53 PM #58
Quote:
Originally posted by Lord_Grismath
So we got a sneak peak at the Maw facility at the end of Ep3, then?


Doubt it seeing as the MAw is from the EU.
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2005-05-24, 7:38 AM #59
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Can light-side Jedi's lie?


Consider the things Qui-Gon did in TPM.
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2005-05-24, 10:34 AM #60
Lieing to Luke about the saber is better than saying "I left your father for dead and took his saber with me. But I want you to trust me more than him...." Obi was probably afraid telling him the truth would cause anger, and anger leads to the dark side.
2005-05-24, 11:01 AM #61
I just noticed that bit watching ANH last night. Also the part about Owen wanting Anakin not to get "involved"("follow old Obi Wan on some damn idealistic crusade like your father did"). No doubt part of the whole deception.
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2005-05-24, 11:19 AM #62
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I still don't understand why palpitine told Vader that he killed Padme.

Well, did you see his reaction to it? Anger --> Dark Side

Plus, if someone else killed her, he goes, hunts them down, kills them, gets his revenge, and his anger (for the time being) is sated. Of course, the revenge path can lead to other destructive patterns, but I think Palpy's approach is even more destructive. If he is the one that kills her, the anger just simmers within him and no doubt strengthens his connection with the Dark Side even more. Plus the only way for his anger to die is to (a) find out the real truth, (b) be forgiven, or (c) kill himself. I think we see a little of all of those in ROTJ...


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Also, if the Emperor claimed to have brought peace and order to the galaxy, why would he be running around with planet-destroying battlestations?

Basically everything the Emperor says during the entire movie is either an outright lie, or more often a twisting of the truth. There might be peace, but there would be no freedom.
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2005-05-24, 11:54 AM #63
The Tarkin Doctrine upon which the concept of a Death Star is based, fear is used to control the galaxy instead of the senate. Note how the senate is disbanded as soon as the Death Star is completed and fully operational in ANH. Compare with what Padmé says to Bail Organa in ROTS when they are approaching Coruscant; that the Emperor won't touch the senate because he still needs it to control the other worlds in the Republic (Empire).


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I'd say the Death Star is more like 1/10 complete in ROTS.
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2005-05-24, 1:52 PM #64
Quote:
Also, if the Emperor claimed to have brought peace and order to the galaxy, why would he be running around with planet-destroying battlestations?
Ever heard of the police? :p
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2005-05-24, 2:23 PM #65
for all you death star people, remember, it was redesigned to fix some flaws, they may have come up with an easier way to build it based off those designs
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2005-05-24, 3:24 PM #66
Plus it was probably sped up once the Emperor started mass-controlling/speeding up his troops with the force.
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2005-05-24, 3:31 PM #67
Assuming he even did that. The fear generated by his presence was probably more than enough to motivate the works to kick it into gear.
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2005-05-24, 4:25 PM #68
Can't they just have done it for the cinematic effect?
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2005-05-24, 6:04 PM #69
Quote:
Why was the first deathstar built with a full frame, and then the second one built all crazy like? i never understood the idea behind the deathstar in RotJ..i mean building it the way they were just seemed dumb.


Well, it was supposed to appear like it was incomplete, "unoperational".
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2005-05-24, 6:29 PM #70
and that section was only where the million trooper garrison would live
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2005-05-24, 8:12 PM #71
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Originally posted by fishstickz
I think it's really stupid how no one knew she was having twins. I mean, when Leia is having childen, Luke can sense both of them across the galaxy, and they aren't even his children.


Luke is more powerful than Vader/Li'l Ani.
2005-05-24, 8:49 PM #72
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Originally posted by saberopus
Luke is more powerful than Vader/Li'l Ani.


At that point, yes.

When Vader and Luke first faced off, no.

And even then, I think Vader in his prime could have taken Luke in his prime.
2005-05-24, 9:58 PM #73
Perhaps, although not in his EU prime.
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2005-05-24, 11:13 PM #74
Vader kills Padme, it was his fault she dies at any rate, that was a very true statement, as was the, your father wanted you to have this, I am sure that Anikin would have wanted Luke to have it.

The bigger issue is that Leia says in RotJ that she remembers her mother being beautifull, she wouldn't know more about her mother then Luke would.
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2005-05-25, 8:06 AM #75
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Originally posted by Emon
Perhaps, although not in his EU prime.


Too bad EU doesn't count. :P
2005-05-25, 9:20 AM #76
Quote:
Originally posted by Omega42


The bigger issue is that Leia says in RotJ that she remembers her mother being beautifull, she wouldn't know more about her mother then Luke would.


leia's eyes were open, lukes were closed.
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2005-05-25, 11:59 AM #77
It would seem that Luke and Anakin's lightsabers are similar, but don't match. :(

Luke's:
[http://www.toysrgus.com/images-repli/parks2.jpg]

Anakin's:
[http://starwars.pl/shop/mr/anakin_skywalker_fx_lightsaber_lead.jpg]
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2005-05-25, 12:23 PM #78
is that an Ep2 saber for anakin? He lost taht one... and a few others if im not mistaken.
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2005-05-25, 12:37 PM #79
EU: The original Death Star was built in orbit around Despayre, not at the Maw. Only the prototype was at the Maw, before Bevil Lemelisk was moved to oversee the construction.

EPIII: Bevil Lemelisk could have been the creator of a better reactor than the Prototype Death Stars', and brought in to work at Despayre which is shown at the end of RoTS.

On the subject of Ben's white lie, it was probably partly what he believed Anakin would have wanted (had he not gone all nasty) and to give Luke something to aspire to.

1: "Heres your fathers lightsaber he wanted you to have, its the weapon of a Jedi. Not as clumsy as a blaster." "Cooooooooool. I wanna be a jedi now."

2: "Heres your dads lightsaber, I took from him when I abandoned him to the darkside after defeating him. He said some nasty things to me, so I left him." "Well... ****."

Anakins saber from EPIII:
Attachment: 5222/tmp4214d64fcce0b_fx_anakinskywalker_page.gif (9,294 bytes)
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2005-05-25, 1:43 PM #80
ya anakin's saber in epi3 is the same as the one from ANH.
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