and you just can't throw out a good set of stormtrooper armor!

That's what I've been telling my mom about the Jango Fett armor.

BH 4 Hire put it good. A very fine example that actually somewhat explains this is in "Heir to the Empire" Tony. I mean, there were thousands, maybe millions of clones *cough* I mean STORMTROOPERS in the Empire. Do you expect them to just lay down their guns? These are the same men who handed a lightsaber to Obiwan and then tried to kill in RotS. These guys were MADE to follow orders.

Here's another issue with the movie.

In the end of the movie, they show a shot of a Death Star. Are you telling me it took them 20 years to build the first one, and only 2-3 for the second?

It took 2-3 for the 2nd because Vader went and became and architecht (heheheh ) Actually, the Death Star I could have been made before ANH. Just because they use it for the first time in ANH doesn't mean it's brand new. Death Star II wasn't done in the second movies either, if you didn't notice.

Something just came to mind...I'm thinking too much.

Ok, George Lucas said that the reason Hayden Christensen appeared as Anakin Skywalker in RotJ at the end was because when he turned to the Dark Side, esentially Anakin Skywalker dies, right?

However, if Darth Vader "turns" good at the end, that would mean OLD man Vader would of appeared, cause esentially he was "resurrected."

However, Qui-Gon Jinn said the Sith would never achieve imortality because it comes through love and compassion. Never did he say it came through being the Light Side (if I remember right). Well, obviously Vader was being compassionate by saving Luke's life out of love. Thus he was allowed to become the ghost.

So, did Vader turn good?

Hayden Christensen was never in rotj? (He hadn't been born yet?)

Also, just a small beef .. the anakin at the end of rotj looks completely random. He doesn't look anything like luke, and when they picked out actors for the young anakins in the PT they don't look like they'd age to look anything like the old one even WITH severe burns, years under a mask, etc (I'm talking about the ghost one that had hair)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news.. but Christensen replaces the other actor in the DVD version of RotJ.

hell yeah vader turned good in the end

"luke, you were right about me... tell your sister you were.. right"

.........

More Problems....

1. Is it just me or when Vader and the Emperor were standing watching the Death Star, did the technology on the ship look like a huge step back? (Say 28 years).

2. Also, how do these clone troops turn in to storm troopers? Did they just say "F these uniforms, lets go get ones that come down more in the chin area and have bigger eye sockets!"

Shouldnt Ewan McGreggor appear then too, instead of Alec Guinness?? Shouldnt they also add: Qui-Gon, A refined, digital Yoda, and the rest of the Jedis who discovered this power??

You just need to stop thinking that Stormtroopers are clones. They're not.

Yeah that's another good point. If stormies are supposed to be clones, what about Piett, and Needa etc? Or for that matter, Han Solo, he served in the Imperial Navy (EU).

Just a little side note:
How do you think Boba Fett felt in the Empire Strikes Back, when he boarded the SSD and saw thousands of his dead dad?


-xavier

Obviously they're gonna start running out of clones after a while, considering the original templates' dead (though there are arguments about the preservation of DNA that can be made), and besides, there's all those bright young men out there who so desperately want to serve their Empire, or at least do when the Imperial indocrination systems kicks in ("Children of the Jedi" featured an extremely surreal look inside what happens to stormtrooper recruits, and is corroberated in one of the Jedi Academy books, I don't reember which one, where Kyp Durron uses the Sun Crusher to destroy Carida because his brother doesn't know who he is anymore (Personally, I despise Barbara Hambly and all her Star Wars books, I never even finished "Planet of Twilight" despite that fact that Dzynn was a pretty cool bad guy, but the brainwashing scene in CotJ was just such a good point I had to dig into those tainted areas of my mind)), and these fine upstanding soldiers could potentially become templates for whole squads of clones (and, in "Heir to the Empire" (and the rest of the Thrawn Trilogy, which are the best Star Wars books ever), which features a completely different view of the Clone Wars, which is perfectly acceptable if you simply assume that the Kaminoans weren't the only people with cloning technology, which is stated by Dexter in AotC ("Cloners, some of the best" or something vague like that), this actually happens), well, who can say no to an offer like that?
I need to maybe plan out what I'm going to say before I say it, as this stream of thought parenthetic nightmare's tough even for me to read.
I used "Which is" at least three times.
There. I just walked my dog, so I now have a second Geek Wind.
Furthermore, there's a difference between the lowly stormtroopers and the officers, just like in America, though I'm not entirely familliar with the details, there's, like, Comissioned and Noncomissioned or something along those wacky lines or another, like a line of demarcation, "Across this line of Rank you shall find Generals, and thou shalt not pass, REPENT REPENT!" or something. There's military geeks here who know this stuf.
IIINNN addition, there's the fact that most of the high ranking officials we see are members of the Imperial NAVY. The Stormtroopers were orignally formed as the Grand ARMY. Of the Republic. So, maybe the Army became the Navy when the Republic became the Empire. Dunno.
I was going to say something, about the difference between American Villages and English Villages. I wrote it down, but I left the paper at home.
I never finished that movie either.
Now, in reference to the problem of the post-Endor government...
The Empire does not have a central government leader persey after the Battle of Endor, much like Germany towards the end of WWII. Bad example. Too bad, only one I can think of. However, the rest of the government, IE the Moffs, the Disciples of the Dark Side, and that crazy group that coescled together in Crimson Empire 2 (I believe they were the Imperial Ruling Council?) were all still alive and well and resting in the safety of Imperial Center (Coruscant). Minus Jerjerrod (spelling?). So, the majority of the Political strength came from the Moffs, the IRC (until the Yuuzhan Vong screwed THAT up TOO), and the Grand Admirals of the Imperial Navy (described as the link between politics and war in HttE), as shown in... well, the books starting after the "X-Wing" series and ending before the whole Admiral Dalaa thing, at which point Bastion was probably established, and the Galactic Empire became the Imperial Remnant.
I came up with a complicated political coup for a Star Wars mod I was considering, where Moff Rovad (I made him up, so don't bother cross-referencing the rest of this paragraph, it's just a digression), in addition to claiming the majority of the political machine that ran the Remnant was under the control of the Peace Brigade (probably not true, Rovad was starting to lose it by that point), he stated

I thought I could finish a post without plugging a fic or anything of mine. I suck. Shoot me.
Where was I before the whole geek out? Oh yeah, the end.

-The end.

1.) READ WHAT I WROTE ABOVE. IT IS BECAUSE ANAKIN DIES WHEN HE TURNS EVIL.

2.) Qui-Gon only learned to speak through the Force, not appear. Perhaps if he had appeared, Luke would of been like "Who the hell is that?"

And the stormtroopers are NOT clones. Think about it, Boba Fett got redone for the DVD on the voice, but the stormtroopers didnt. Lucas did that on purpose. The DNA would of fallen apart (Which I would of assumed to be the reason they cant shoot worth crap) cause the original host is dead. I figured they could of used a first generation clone to build the new troopers, and that caused a "dumbing" down of them.

George Lucas did once say that stormtroopers were clones, but he obviously retracted that, as he didn't replace their voices in the OT DVDs. Such a lying son of a *****, he doesn't even know his own movies.

I heard the only reason the EP4 script was decent was because George's wife went through it and removed all the stupid **** he had. Then he went and divorced his wife because he was obsessed with making SW and Indy. Dumbass.

He came up with this one explanation a little while ago sayin gthat the Stormtroopers were clones from multiple fresh templates. People would be chosen and cloned but an Imperial Officer could get his cousin or whatever to be one of the cloned people through 'influence.' That would supposedly be why alot of the Stormtroopers are dumbies while there are some that earned the notorious title of being "so precise."

Yeah, fubar to me too. I just figure they can't see a thing in the helmet as Luke said, but on somewhere like Tatooine they should've been able to see fine with how well everything terrain would be lit. Thus leading to Obi-Wan thinking they're so precise. (Not too mention he probably thought Storm Troopers would be as accurate as the Clone Troopers were.)

Of course, it has been discovered that Obi-Wan is just a huge frickin liar.

Barely considered canon? Where'd this come from? Last time I checked, it was just on the same level as the rest of the Star Wars video games.

In any case, the New Essential Guide to Characters has the official word on this in Kyle Katarn's entry. Jedi Knight takes place about a year after the movies, and five years later(as the MotS crawl said, I think), Mysteries of the Sith happens.

This is during the events of the Dark Empire comics with the whole 'Darth El Clono' bit, which takes place one year after the events of the Thrawn Trilogy. Which works rather well, in the end. It was never explained what Mara was doing in the Dark Empire comics, so she was free to go on a few missions with Katarn, and it would also explain where the holocron that Mara protects came from.

And for the record, this was one year before heer Skywalker sets up shop at Yavin 4.

Who else saw the Wookiees firing bowcasters with green bolts? I thought that was nifty.

Can I have a clue as to where I can read this?

The clone troopers age at a doubled rate, we learn on Kamino as Obi-Wan talks to the Kamineans (sp?).

They are all about say... 20-30 in AotC. There are 3 years between AotC and RotS. 19 until ANH. This would make the clones 64-74 (keeping in mind the doubled rate). Remember that during these 22 years there is lots of fighting, many are likely killed. Even assuming that they were genetically altered so they would still be fit to fight at such an old age, they would be largely assisted by younger (non-clone) recruits.

I heard the whole "stormtroopers are clones" thing too but I'm glad GL retracted it.

Acharjay: I saw that too. I thought the same thing.



1. Well, think about when the OT was made. :p Seriously, I was surprised that they showed Star Destroyers so quickly. I expected the same type of SDs that had the red stripe down the middle. I think that was mostly to reflect the Empire we know from the OT.

2. Likely the name changed when the Empire started recruiting non-clones. Or even earlier (I've heard the term "Republic Stormtrooper" somewhere).

i wanna know what happens to boba fett after AotC. i don't think i saw him once in RotS

They should have talked about this.



No, Alec Guiness is fine, he looks like Ewan. Qui-Gon and the other Jedis make no sense to Luke, so screw them.

Boba fett gets adopted by some noble family somewhere, and goes under the name Jaster Mereel. He murders another kid, and is exiled from his homeland, and adopted parents. He begins to make money as a small time thug, and hunter, and his skills are noticed and he becomes a formidable bounty hunter. He is given the suit of mandolorian armor as a gift from some king after doing a job for him, his suit of armor is NOT his father's armor, as the movie would lead you to believe.

Edit: Also, to add, Jaster Mereel was the head of the mandolorian clans who took jango fett as his son. Boba then adopted the name after hearing stories about Jango's father.

How do you know that?

Comes from the book "Tails of the Bounty Hunters"

Ach, most of the backstory of Boba Fett has been retconned after AotC, actually. Again, check the 'New Essential Guide to Characters' who basically explains the whole Jaster Mareel backstory as one of the many myths surrounding Boba Fett. In fact, I believe there are some books following AotC that continue the adventures of young Boba. From what I've heard, they're typical kids books, and apparantly loaded with quite a few continuity and logical errors.

(and did I leave the EU open for a sucker punch with that last sentence...)

I haven't read star wars books in a long *** time but what is the book about Boba getting out of the Sarlac pit and trying to piece together what he is living for. I think it shows him as a person with mercy because he kills in order to protect someone innocent.

that would be the Bounty Hunter Wars

also, a bit of Boba's backstory was told in the comics

AND, why would you keep paying for clones when you lead most of a galaxy that can provide healthy young bodies to fill the armor

Am I the only one who has a problem with this aspect of the movies?

In ANH, IE EPisode 4, obi wan gives luke his father's lightsaber. his Father's lightsaber. It's green. He also uses his own, lightsaber in ANH, which is green. Even when he fights Darth Vader, Obi wan's lightsaber is green.

Therefore, Obi wan's lightsaber is/was green, and Anakin's was green.

So why is it that Anakin and obi wan both use blue lightsabers in their duel, let alone have blue lightsabers... at all... in general. the only one with a green saber in hte prequals weres yoda and qui gon.

It oculd be said that obi-wan took up using agreen one by the time ANH came out. Still, though, Anakin's lightsaber was blue in ROTS, yet the same saber is green in ANH?

Um, i'm fairly sure the only green saber in the original trilogy is the one Luke constructs prior to RotJ. The others are all blue or red.

Wait what?

in ANH and ESB Luke had a Blue Saber... he built a green one before ROTJ happened.

Ben also had a Blue saber in ANH.

Am I to understand that in the last 19 years of myl ife, most of which I have known of, and watched Star Wars, There were blue lightsabers in the original trilogy?

I could have sworn it was all green vs red...

In the OT, Luke's and Obi-wan's sabers are blue. The only green saber in the OT is the green saber that luke has in RotJ (after losing the blue one)

So yes, the two blue sabers in RotS are the same blue sabers seen in ANH.

This discussion is pointless, it all makes sense in starwars, its just that some people don't see a larger picture, and hence create topics like these. And even still its just FANTASY!

http://www.lichtgeschwindigkeit.de/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/wallpapers/luke_hoth.jpg

http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/starwars/Luke_with_Lightsaber.jpg

http://www.jedi-academy.com/film/benlight.jpg

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/images/cut_scenes/ep5/restored_music_luke_vader_1.jpg

http://www2.gascp.com/starwars/pic/MagnetsReturnOfTheJedi.jpg

the last one to compare with the rest

The pictures are inaccurate, Luke's lightsaber is definitely light blue in ANH and ESB, as was Obi-wan's.

... those are all blue. the other two were innaccurate because they're artwork, and not movie scenes. all the scenes you posted show the lightsabers as blue, though

Agreed. What are you accomplishing by speculating on all these inconcistensies? Its a fantasy story and so there are obviously plot holes etc. But I guess if it makes you feel better to think up a logical explanation for every little thing then go ahead...

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If you remember, in MotS, Kyle was a pretty old dude, with gray hair and crap.

Remember in ANH when monmothma talks about rebel spies stealing the deathstar plans? That's you, first level of Dark Forces.