For those uneducated neanderthals that don't visit the chatroom, here is the link I posted today.
Read and enjoy. I know I didn't.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html

You're not supposed to enjoy something like that.

I feel like burning that place down.

I'm with the dark elf on this one. I'll get the matches, you get the...other stuff

That's the sickest ****ing thing I've read in a long time. There is nothing any child could do to warrant that kind of treatment.

I can think of a couple forum members that probably ought to have been sent there as kids. straighten out some of our resident e-thugs.

As I was reading that, I was imagining myself infiltrating that place with a high powered rifle...

.... but that's just me.

So if your parent threatens to send you to military school because you’ve been a bad kid, thank them.

Yeah! Guns! Grenades!

Most of the ones I'd say should be sent there are no longer members...mostly because of bannings.

But I know you included me on that list, so whatever.

Some youth are so rambunctious, so rebellious, so defiant of every social custom and tradition, self-destructive and harmful towards others, hateful of authority and modesty, and actively bent towards causing suffering in others, that their consignment to such a program is only natural, and it is the grantedly harsh but socially helpful business of such places to remove them from circulation in the social system, sort them out, and return them anew.

So much effort for reformation. Execution is much more efficient.

I am all for bringing that place down. Lock and load.

Is this sarcasm?

Except for the fact that it's more for rich yuppies who don't understand their kid. Granted maybe a few deserve it, but that's harsher than even what some POW's get.

This is absolutley disgusting. I cannot even fathom...

Sarcasm or not, I have to agree with Grismath

I like how they brainwashed their PARENTS with seminars, to make them think that it's okay that they do this to their kids, who get brainwashed into thinking that it's okay that their parents did it to them. Sick ****ers.

Not exactly, although I'm sure it happens. This kind of program is a last resort for the kid and the parents. My parents have friends who had to send their daughter to somethng like this because she was comepletely out of control. She was done in about a year and now works for the company in some capacity because she feels it saved her life.

I doubt most people here even know the kind of kid who would be sent to a camp like this.

..so that's where Pugler got to..

But seriously, I agree in part with some of the things this place is doing, but also disagree with other things. If kids have a problem and they're just not willing to co-operate in any ways you try to support them and help them, then they need to be given a taste of what life can be like- And an experience like that could make them see how lucky they are to be in the situation they're in.

On the down side.. brainwashing the kids? Getting them to share intimate details and then using it against them? MAKING THEM LIE ON THEIR FACE?! That's just disgusting and inhumane.

This is way worse than boot camp, or reform school.

They're locking up minors, AS PRISONERS, in a foreign country.

I find it to be a violation of human rights.

Oh snap.

oh snapdizzle 2 da max

That sounds horrible

Any parent who would resort to sending their child to this place, doesn't have any right to be having children in the first place. Even if the kid is genuinely troubled, there are far better ways of helping them, but this seems to be a case of dumbass irresponsible parents saying "OMG my kid stayed out 5 minutes past his curfew! Send him to jail!".

And actually it's worse than jail; I'd say this counts as torture, what they are doing. The guy who owns the place, everyone who works there, and all the parents who sent their children there should be killed in as slow and painful a method as possible. Don't they understand that they are inflicting severe emotional damage on the kids? For god's sake, NOBODY has the right to do that to ANYONE.

I actually felt sick while reading that.

I can't believe so many people are against this. What the hell else are these parents supposed to be with their out-of-control kids? This place isn't just for the occasional troublemaker...this place is a last resort for kids who are heavily into drugs, crime, gangs, etc. This isn't a "case of dumbass irresponsible parents saying "OMG my kid stayed out 5 minutes past his curfew! Send him to jail!" as kyle90 said. This is for severely disobedient, violent, or destructive kids. I highly doubt any parents would send their kid their for a minor infraction. This is for serious serious problems.

If my kid never listened me or anyone else of authority and was into crime or a gang or whatever, I'd send him there in a heartbeat. But since this country is so full of damn political correct pansies, I couldn't administer the punishment myself, so I'd gladly send him away for a year to have someone else do it for me. A hundred years ago corporal punishment was legal and there were a lot fewer destructive and disobedient kids. Connection? I think so.



A lot of the stuff the kids who are sent there do is disgusting and inhumane. An eye for and eye. You behave like a disgusting little ******* and you get treated like one. Sounds fair to me.

A guy I used to hang out with a lot got sent to such a place in Germnay, and it helped him a lot. And the guy was pretty out of control indeed. He got into knifefights about every 3 days. Not as a victim, but as the one drawing first. Used to deal drugs, all that sort of rubbish. It's helped him a lot though.. I think he spent one and a half year there.

Man, you'd think it be allot cheaper just to spank them when they're young. 40K is quite a lot. Inronicly, it punishes the parent and the kids. :p

that is wrong...as for the place, well, there are many things wrong with it and maybe a few that are right...

but the way the reportor described the responses of the students when asked about the place and why they are there...sounded like something out of the x-files..definatly seems like some sort of brainwashing is going on...

Reminds me of that Batman of the Future episode.

I can't believe a place like that exists, it just seems so surreal. Maybe that's just me :p

How in the hell can you justify this!?



Have you read the article, man? How can you possibly endorse this? its horrible, it sickening! these people are brainwashing these kids! I don't care what the hell they did to deserve it, they could be murderers for all i care! NO ONE DESERVES TO HAVE THEIR PERSONALITIES RE-WRITTEN! and that's exactly what they're doing! thy're taking away thier identity and replacing it with a script. and i'm an objectivist, so if any of you know what that is, you'll know why this makes me even more pissed off then if i was a strict christian!

*gasp* ok, breathing again normally....

Anyway, sorry about that, but this thing is just.... *shudder* i can't stand to think about it.

And this:...



what the hell.... they sent her there because she 'didn't like them'... i'm stopping writing before i type something ban-worthy, adn i'm close.

In the 19th century, Jules Verne predicted submarines and rockets to the moon. Dick Tracy, Batman, the Star Trek crew and others always had their little devices for communicating long range before we ever had cell phones. Hell, I have no idea how many topics I've seen about trying to make lightsabers, warp drives and transporters work.

But when I read this I kept thinking of three novels: 1984, Brave New World, and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Of all the cultural literary traditions to emulate, this "Jay Kay" guy and his "Wwasps" choose dystopic institutionalized behavior modification programs? How desparately out of control do you have to feel to actually be able to rationalize (even to yourself) that measures like these are justified? And like all the other powerful bastards in the modern international sphere they manage to exploit developing nations to pull it off.

****, it makes me want to sit down and write a book about how things were horrible until people figured out to treat eachother well, then wait for the demented copycats to come along and make my fiction into reality.

I don't know what to do really. Hurting them (the organization/JayKay) won't help, as their problems probably stem from being hurt real bad in the past and not knowing how to cope with it. How can you shut them down when it's already gone to court and some judge ruled it acceptable for the sacrosanct parent/guardian(s) to send their children into hell if they wanted, so long as they weren't the ones holding the pitchfork when they got there. It's a bunch of loopholes and cruelty and institutionally bstardized dominoes that Orwell could never have predicted.

it makes me really sad.

Because I'm sure the article isn't biased in any way.

You realize God hates you right?

Any parent who even thinks about sending their kid there deserves to go there themselves and the people in charge of that place deserve to go to hell for what they've done. I can seriously say that I want them dead after reading that.

There are many kids who would be needed to sent into that place, but otherwise I've gotta be against it.

Yea, I agree with that now that I think of all the idiots who bring knives to school and fight. But choosing a different boyfriend, or having sex at the age of 16? I know people who have had sex at that age and their parents know. They are good people too.

The 1984 parallels are almost staggering.

There's a place for the out of control kids. It's called D-Home, and/or Juvenile Hall. Same idea, less torture, less expensive.

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Ishi sent that link in the chat. It kinda puts things into perspective about how these things psychology screw up kids.

I'm all for tough love, and I think that in some cases, the only options are either a military-style boot camp, or watch your kid self-destruct.

This, on the other hand, is like trying to fix a headache with a sledgehammer. Sure, it might work, but that's because you've caused permanent brain damage.