SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

That would make sense too. But legalising cigarettes and banning cannabis sends mixed, illogical and downright hypocritical messages.

I say legalize everything, let Darwin take over.

(note that I'm not necessarily talking about marijuana here)

Yes. And Wolfy--pot is nowhere near as dangerous as cigarettes--especially not if consumed correctly.

GHORG--the exact reason why I dismissed Thrawn's post. Because look at the 'symptoms' of addiction, and the withdrawal effects, etc. It's not any worse than most allergy medicines, and is in fact better than most of them. I hardly call that addiction or withdrawal.

And Thrawn--it wouldn't make them stupider. It'd just bring a lot more laughing into the scene of America (watching Bad Santa while stoned was such a great idea)

Hey, quit arguing. It's getting God damn sickening. If someone wants to smoke marijuana, that's cool, if someone wants to stay away from it, hey that's cool too. Each to his own. End of debate.

I smoke. I live in a college city too. I love you Austin, TX.

I just thought I'd share.

And that's exactly what the legalisation campaign is saying.

It may not be a good enough excuse, but that's what (American) society does. When a thing or idea is unpopular laws are usually made against it to make it "go away." Do they succeed? More often than not.

Smoking pot is unpopular?....

... Yes. It's very unpopular. The conservative right hates it with a passion (for the most part) and they're right now in control of the house, the senate, and the presidency...so...yeah.

Correct. If it was popular, then the millions spent on anti-marijuana ads would not be present. If it was popular, the people currently in political offices would be replaced by people more sympathetic to legalization of marijuana. This leads me to believe that the anti-pot crowd has the upper-hand in dictating law governing this issue despite presumed popularity, or it's just not that popular enough.

That make sense? Little?

I didnt mean just in North America.. There ARE places in the world where it is widely accepted, used, and in fact, legal. And no, not just Amsterdam.

But that doesn't matter to us, now does it? We're talking about practical purposes. What some guy in Zimbabwe thinks about smoking weed does not matter to the average American, and neither does his reasoning, for the most part. Americans just go OMG DRUGS BAD SMASH.

This is true. There are other cultures in the world who use marijuana in some form of another as dictated by culture. That's those guys. But, the discussion here is more about United States policies towards marijuana/drugs in general. Yoshi in his...simplified three words and an acronym speaks for the current trend in the U.S. The other cultures, they've figured it out on how to please everyone.

Yeah, that makes sense. I just wish that we would finally take that attitude and stop the propaganda.

Yeah...I'm sure it will happen eventually, it just takes time. I'm just glad I live in BC, because it's quite accepted here and its hardly even illegal. I mean you can smoke in public and no one will care, and if the cops do catch you all they do is take it away (up to a certain amount)

There is no place where marijuana is legal. There are areas where it is decriminalized, areas where the authorities will ignore small amounts of it. Tolerated, but not legal.

The soft/hard distinction is pretty abstract, at best. It dates back to the '70s, where people divided things into hard and soft categories quite often. You can see this in pornography and rock music. Being more common parlance than anything else, hard and soft are not great distinctions. For example, prescription sedatives like Valium and Xanax are often considered "soft," but they can be extremely addictive, especially Xanax. In fact, Xanax will probably cause addiction sooner than heroin or other opiates.

Marijuana is legal in Amsterdam. Its the only drug that is legal. Shrooms and anything else are not.

No, it's not. They just have had lenient laws regarding it, and they've been that way for the past 30 years.

I akutally lvoe drugs!!!

BRING ME TGHE DRugS##########

I guess that explains why they sell it freely in shops just like any other piece of merchandise.. And even have Marijuana menus that you can order your particular kind of weed that you want..potency, etc..

On Drug Policy in the Netherlands: It's technically illegal to posess and sell, but they just do not prosecute it. They view that pot use is more so a fad, and that if everyone does it, it will become "less cool", hence use will decrease.

On Drug War in US: Its pointless in my opinion, more of a cultural genocide than anything. We've spend billions of dollars on this war for the past 30 years, and use has failed to decrease, in fact the market is greater than ever. The war only has made users find other ways to explore themselves, before they too become illegal. I say focus that money on improving the country, or on harder drugs. Heroin and cocaine is the real problem.

On MJ as a gateway drug: I think the figure is that 30% of people who have tried cannabis go onto other things? There is a real difference in the people who go onto "worse" substances as opposed to the ones who go to psychedelics, not for recreational reasons. If one were to go from pot and becoming a coke addict or what have you, it only shows their inner weakness, and stupidity. Recreational use is pointless, to any extent.

Psychedelics on the other hand, have a purpose. Many have been used for centuries to discover themselves and for some be in touch with the Divine. The majority of these substances are harmless, LSD, mescaline, MDMA(in controlled doses),DMT, salvia, and psilocybin, all have no apparent lasting side effects.

On legalization: While pot becomes more and more socially acceptable by the day, and the day of legalization grows nearer, I am against legalization. For me, pot is a lot different than what the normal recreational user uses pot for. It's very spiritual, almost religious for me. I really can't stand when people smoke pot just to get "f**ked up". Sadly, the majority of smokers are like that, say what you think. I think if it was legalized, it would be abused, and it would be ruined for the rest of us. Not many people respect the plant, and I don't really expect them to.

Temperamental: Please, stop talking. Most of your information is wrong, and you don't enough experience to really know what you're talking about.

I agree with matrixhacker...you don't know what your talking about. Weed is not legal in Amsterdam...technically speaking of course.

Matrixhacker speaks much truth.

Right.. I dont know what im talking about.. Even though I have smoked pot for about 7 years now.. I mean, that is NO experience compared to what you guys have had.. I apologize to the all mighty know it all nerds.

However you take it, I consider myself to have quite a bit of knowledge on Marijuana. Facts are wrong? What "facts" have I attempted to state here.. All I said was that Marijuana was legal in amsterdam, which I was under the impression it was, I never knew it was actually not 100% legal. I apologize for my HUGE mistake that obviously destroys all my credibility and makes your one or two times smoking it outweigh my experience.

Not saying I am more experienced than everyone here, but i sure as hell know what im talking about. So dont tell me I dont.


People can and should be able to legally smoke pot themselves for recreational reasons or whatever. Your own beliefs aside, that shouldnt reflect on the person that wants to use it. If someone wants to smoke a joint in their own home and not affect anyone, I dont see the problem with that. It's their choice, not yours, and it is most definately none of your business.

And to those that say Marijuana leads to cancer, I'd me more than willing to whip out my girlfriend's medical book from college (this years edition, up to date) that clearly states that Marijuana has never once scientifically yet been linked to causing or leading to cancer, and that studies are still being conducted. I'd be more than willing to actually scan that paragraph it says it, except I dont feel like doing it now and I am not at home. But if required, I shall.

I'm sorry, but people who say things like "People who smoke pot for recreational reasons are stupid, its pointless, and I hate them" should be labelled legally retarded. YOU think its stupid, YOU think its pointless, but THEY arent YOU. If you are the kind of person that likes to judge someone else because of their recreational habits, especially without getting to know them, then the next time someone says "What the hell is wrong with this world.." you should look in the mirror and realise the answer, is YOU.

1. Do you have any evidence to back up what YOU think my experience is? You can smoke for years and never look into anything besides smoking. I know people that have been smoking for upwards of 20 years and still don't know the difference between a male and female plant. Your posts sounded, and still do sound like you are a 15 year old kid who wrote a 3 page paper on cannabis for health class.

You doubt my experience? I'm going to school for this subject! Hell, I have an internet radio show devoted to this discussion!

2. YOU have to realize that what I said on legalization, and that entire post, was my OPINION. We obviously have opposing viewpoints on the subject. I never once said that a person shouldn't have the right to do anything they want in their own privacy, I agree entirely. What we do differ in is our view of the plant. I come from a completely different angle, the plant is much more to me than it is to you, obviously. So when someone calls me up and says they "want to get f**ked up", you think I would reply with a " hell yeah man!"? You say I'm ignorant of another persons perspective?

When someone takes something you value and respect and abuses it, you won't get offended? Name calling won't get you anywhere either, it only makes you look worse. The only part of my last post that was directed at you was the last part, don't take everything else personally, I was addressing the whole thread. I'm sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean that offensively or to demean you in any way, my career is this subject, I've been completely immersed in this area for almost 2 years now. It's a huge part of my life.

Ok..Whatever you say.

You value a plant that is grown wild (although CAN be grown in controlled conditions) THAT much?...I think thats a little over the border there..


My post regarding experience wasnt specifically directed at you either. And you think putting "blah blah blah" in the quote field makes you not sound like you are 15 yourself?


You think that someone who has been smoking for years, yet doesnt know the difference between the GROWING aspect of Marijuana, hasn't got as much experience as you?

Judging from what you just said, Id have to say that you have either smoked pot only once or twice, or never at all. I could be wrong, but then again, if you have, youd be contradicting yourself and going against what you just wrote. BUt again, I could be wrong.

Just because someone doesnt know about every single aspect of pot doesnt make them any less knowledgeable about certain things than you. You can know everything there is to know about growing weed, yet know nothing about the smoking or health aspect. Does that make them not knowledgeable on that subject? No.

And you're studying this subject in school? What do you go to, weed school? As far as I knew..There were no classes offered that specifically gave lessons on Marijuana.

On yeah, and I'm not 15.

Pfft. Oh ****ing please. You think he's only smoked it once or twice? How the **** do you draw that conclusion??? Seriously, why the hell do you think that? You have no reason to other then a ridiculous attempt to defend yourself.

If you want to say you know alot about marijuana, you SHOULD know both the growing and smoking aspects. Besides, male/female plant difference isn't a growing aspect really. If you don't know the difference then you don't know much about weed.

All in all your argument is just ridiculous. I don't know what you are trying to prove, but matrixhacker is CLEARLY more knowledgable on marijuana then you are. Anyways this is a stupid discussion.

Raoul/matrixhacker win(s).

Raoul, just because he may be more knowledgeable, doesnt mean I am not. And if you read fully what I said, I said I could be wrong, I wasnt saying I was 100 percent right.



Um..No. But whatever u say.

Raoul - Go outside. Go play.

Wow strong argument there. And telling me to go outside and play like im some shut in computer nerd? Not only is that very wrong, but where's the relevance?

Hey hey HEY *whistles sharply*

Let's allll calm a little.

No argument, no point.

Temperamental - Please, stop with the personal attacks. It's needless, you can express a point without adding something like "Go outside, go play".

I value it too much? Over the border? Tell that to the Navajo for whom peyote is sacred, or the Mazetec with mushrooms and salvia, or the hundreds of other tribes which practice entheogen rituals.

Weed school? Haha, not really. To tell you the truth I don't know half as much about weed as I do psychedelics. It's a field called Transpersonal Psychology, there are numerous grad schools devoted to it. It was started by Maslow and man named Stanislav Grof, look them up if you want to, Maslow's pretty well known. It's major emphasis is experiences which transcend the self, one of the major focuses of field surrounds psychedelic research and therapy.

Personal experience means nothing. "oh i smoked pot and it did nothing!" or "oh i know 100 people that smoke pot and it did nothing!". It means nothing.

The stuff that actually does mean something is:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4109360.stm
http://www.ukcia.org/research/can-psychosis.htm
http://www.talktofrank.com/azofdrugs/C/Cannabis.aspx

That Frank's page contains a bunch of erroneous information.

Is marijuana class B or C in the UK now? Last time I was there, they were just about to put it back up to B.

I'm a libertarian in most things(with exceptions in Immigration and the Military), so I kind of see pot how I see alcohol, cigarettes, etc.

I will never drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, pot, take drugs, whatever. I just choose not to. I think when it comes to alcohol, cigarettes, pot, etc people should be able to choose what they do. Inform them of the consequences and then just step back and let them make their choice. If they end up killing themselves under the influence or something, I won't have any pity for them. It was their choice to do that and it ended up killing them. It was a risk they took and it didn't go their way.

Now, when you do something that negatively impacts other people, that's where I have a problem. I don't know of any drugs that inspire a murderous rage in a person, so I think the biggest problem is things like driving while impaired, etc. At least with pot, I think it should be handled the same way as alcohol.

I'm still debating where I stand on harder drugs. I think there would need to be stricter restrictions on those than what is on alcohol because of their stronger effects(outright hallucinations, extreme paranoia, etc) and I'm not sure if that does or does not lead to a higher probability of affecting other people.

Ever taken a vitamin? Tylenol for headaches? Got a flacid penis? Suffer from headaches, or migraines? Do you want to lose weight fast? If so, think twice before screaming "DURGS AER BAD LOLOLs."

And before anyone starts with the "But those drugs are different! They help people! They're legal!", remember that it's the same government that's peddling this dope to you and telling you the other is bad.

Quite frankly, alcohol is THE most dangerous drug as far as hurting other people. Not just from drunk driving, but alcohol DOES cause "murderous rage" in many people. How many fights get started at bars? Tons. I can't think of any other drug that has these same hyper aggressive effects as alcohol, except for PCP. Drugs like heroin, marijuana, acid, shrooms etc are quite safe as far as hurting other people is considered.

I can understand that, except the fact that these tribes didn't invent Marijuana, it isnt THEIRS. It grows freely in places in the wild. Its not like they invented it for a sacred reason, and then we came along and found it was a good high and then abused it for our own sake.

They believe in what they want, we believe in what we want, and others believe in completely different angles and viewpoints.

Its like god, and sex. Some people believe that you shouldnt have sex before marriage, others dont. Some believe in god, others dont. That doesnt make the other persons beliefs wrong or immoral.

Im not comparing Marijuana to sex or god, but the beliefs and moral standards of it. Just because someone believes in one thing, doesnt make everyone have to believe in that same thing.


The problem, is choice. We arent given a choice. We are told that Marijuana is wrong, bad for you, and you will become a lifeless vegetable. We arent given the choice to say "Oh, I think marijuana is bad, so I wont smoke it" or "Yeah, I like pot, so I choose to smoke it".