Yes you are.

No, we arent. If we were given that choice, Marijuana would be legal. You cant say we are given a choice when if we get caught, we are thrown into a jail cell with murderers and rapists. Thats not a choice. You dont imprison someone or do something like that when they are free to make that choice.

We didn't invent it either, nor were we the first to find it. It was used in many Eastern religions/practices before it was introduced to the West.

And as I already stated, but you seem like you have to repeat the same thing as if you were expressing an opposing argument, it is a matter of perspective. We obviously have opposing viewpoints, as again I already stated, I never said your belief was "wrong". I stated clearly that what I said was OPINION. Stop acting like it was a personal attack on YOU. I wasn't allowed to express my position on the subject, and offer up what I said to back it up?

Meaning, nobody OWNS weed. People use it in different ways. That doesnt mean someone else cant smoke it.





I wasnt talking to you in my last post.

What I meant is that you are free to make the choice to smoke pot or to not smoke pot. Just because its illegal doesnt stop people does it? You still smoke pot dont you? You made that choice.

Now seeing that you made that choice, you have to accept the consequences if you are caught.

That doenst make it a free choice. Its not a choice really. You CAN choose to do one or the other, but you are condemned for making the wrong one. If it was a truely free choice and you were truely free to make whichever choice u wanted, it would be legal and have no reprecussions.

That's like me putting a gun to your head and saying "GIVE ME YOUR MONEY OR DIE", you giving me your money and then me saying "hey, you didn't have to, i gave you a choice"

.....uhhhh, except the whole murder part :P. You really picked a bad analogy

Not really. Make the wrong choice and suffer the consequences.

The point is that we arent free totally to make that choice. A choice made out of complete freedom has no lawful reprecussions.

You can make the choice, but that doesnt mean youre really free to. Stop saying youre free to smoke weed or not, when yes you can make the choice,but you arent free to.

Temperamental, you're blowing this way out of proportion.

Do you know how many people each year smoke weed and get away with it? Compared to how many people commit murder and get away with it? I think you'd find the ratio to be astounding.

Not to mention, don't you think there's a reason it's illegal? Weed, I think, should only be fully legalized medically. I don't like the idea of having anyone inebriated while on the roads (including on alcohol) and how many people do you know that would drive stoned? True, alcohol IS legal, and tons of people drive drunk, but it's much harder to make something illegal than it is to just keep something from being legalized. "Oh but it's not as bad as alcohol"--bull****. I've been stoned before, and I know I would NEVER be able to drive that way. I don't want to trust in your 'abilities' to either.

Edit: Need to stop posting right after I get up (grammar)

1. weed affects different people differently. I can drive while high. I dont get THAT bad off the weed. My girlfriend however, couldnt drive while high, because it affects her on a whole different level.

2. Im not blowing anything out of proportion. Are you not hearing what I am saying? YES, we can make a choice to smoke it and get away with it. The thing I am trying to say is that even though we can do that, IF we get caught, we are thrown in jail. It's not right, and it's not a totally free choice. Hence why there is a pro-legalization movement, this is their goal. To establish the true freedom to be able to choose to smoke it or not. Not to say OH WEED ISNT BAD, ALCOHOL IS THE DEVIL.


3. The reason weed is illegal is due to racism that originated in North America (specifically the USA) in the early 1920's. There may be other reasons, but that was the main one.

Please don't. Driving under the influence of anything that can slow down your reaction times is a bad idea.



That may be why it was made illegal, but that's not why it is illegal.

Wow. You 'can' drive while high. Well good for you.

But many people CAN'T. As someone who's dipped himself into the druggy community for a period of time. I've seen these people who can't, and it scares the hell out of me that they're on the roads. God, I could care less what you can do, or if only 100 people in the country can't drive high. If those 100 people drive while inebriated that's ostensibly hundreds of deaths (wrecks involving multiple people) that didn't need to happen.

I know why weed was made illegal...so you think they're still being racist against hispanics? Because I somehow don't think so.

You are blowing it way out of proportion. You're acting like your rights are being infringed on...and they're not. Weed may not be harmful to you, but it'd create yet another problem that people would have while driving, along with cell phones, alcohol, and actually illegal drugs. Only there's no breathalizer for weed, in fact, NO way to detect it.

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[The_Anovis] Its actually 1 joint to 5 cigarettes.. not 10."
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[The_Anovis] I think he just flammed himself.
«@Wolfy» He flamed himself?
[The_Anovis] yeah
[The_Anovis] Made himself look bad.
«@Wolfy» Should...should he be banned for that? :S
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Couldn't resist.

That's just friggin ridiculous. Weed already exists, whether it's legal or not, so it wouldn't be "another problem for people driving". That problem, if you would even call it that, already exists. Besides, driving stoned probably has about the same risk as driving while exhausted/tired and god knows how many people do that. And don't argue that everyone would start smoking weed if it became legal. I doubt the use would change. Anybody that wants to smoke weed, smokes weed whether it's legal or not. I've never met someone who said the only reason they don't smoke weed is because of the illegality.

Actually, use would change dramatically because it wouldn't be taboo. It wouldn't be illegal. A lot more people would use it.

And I know the problem exists already--this would just make the problem explode.

Explain then why there are several documented studies, facts, resources, etc that state that since Marijuana was made legal (or made acceptable, even if still illegal) that Marijuana use in Amsterdam actually went DOWN after a short rise. My girlfriend went to Amsterdam, she even said that there were barely any people smoking in the shops or streets at any times. Her sister's boyfriend is from Holland and travels to Amsterdam quite a lot, and he's even confirmed what she says.

It's pretty much common sense, what I just said.

Okay, one country. Amsterdam's people and views are nowhere near anything like the US's, not to mention the US has a very much more diversified spectrum of people.

And marijuana's still not legal.

I really don't think this is true. Marijuana isn't really taboo anyways. Those comfortable with smoking it already smoke it. Sure a few people may start as a result of legalization, but to I think to say that "use would change dramatically" is naive.

I didnt say it was legal, I said made socially acceptable, notice the cute brackets?

One country? Exactly how many other countries in the world is Marijuana so socially acceptable, it practically IS legal.

Yeah...but did marijuana use cut down in them as a result of it's 'acceptability'.

Well I guess this is where we differ, Raoul. I think use would change quite dramatically, but to each his own.

Who cares what the reason is? Point is, after it was made acceptable, it went down. It went down. It went down.

Pot is still the lamest drug ever.

In one country...that's what I've been trying to get into your thick head. One country's results != conclusivity.

When you consider the fact that just that one country is the only one in the world to have done that and had that reaction, its only naturally logical to assume it will most likely happen if done in others.

No, that's called assumptions. That's like flipping a coin, having it land heads, and hereby declaring coins always lands heads up.

Holy ****... you mean they don't?



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Hence, why not legalize it and at least SEE if that happens.

Why do a lot of you see it as "legalize it, or not"? There's an extremely low probability that it will be legalized in the US within the next few years, unless Canada legalizes and shows good results, and somehow most of the conservatives are ousted from office, including this new "drug czar". There's been a lot of bills brought up which in fact made penalties worse for being caught. I think right now even, a senator from the midwest is trying to make it a crime to be NEAR someone who is using any "illicit" substance and they don't report it to local authorities.

At this point, legalization is unrealistic. What we really need to be focusing on, is instead REFORM of these laws, which is already in the works in many places.

That already is the law for many states.