If you play with friends / Massassians that stuff doesn't happen.

Like my college LAN often has guys playing CZ. Good fun.

Yes, CS sucks hard nowadays. I quit like a year and a half ago. It's still fun at lans, though.

Although the shotgun is called a "n00bcannon," it is very hard to dominate with it.

SAJN, the descriptions of servers you played on almost reminded me of those horrid JO/JA admin mods.

I agree with that post Yoshi.


What makes the shield unstoppable? When it's in the hands of an extremely good player with fast reflexes and a cool head, and he knows what he's doing (when to pop out and shoot, etc) he will ALWAYS beat a player of equal skill wielding a colt/ak47/mp5/famas.

Not to mention that, but someone with the shield can be the "eyes" of a CT team, and if he plays his cards right, he can flawlessly scout where the T team is going on maps like dust2. Half the fun of playing T on dust2 was to trick CT and keep them in the dark as long as possible, before finally attempting to plant the bomb. But with a shield someone can step right up to the middle double doors and see if T goes left or right initially, and also have continuous line of sight to the catwalk, while being completely immune to 95% of the weapons in the entire game. CT gains not only a combat advantage, but a huge LOS advantage that they did not hold in past. Obviously this disturbs the game balance that the devs took so long to create.

These are not the only reasons the shield is banned - it's been bugged on and off since release, and it just isn't fair to give the CT this advantage, especially due to the defensives advantages they already hold in tournament play.

The flashbangs in source are IMHO imbalanced as well, but not everyone would back me up on this one. They are much harder to counter in Source, imo 1.6 was perfectly balanced and changed the the mechanics of flashbangs really messed up the rest of the game. (Now when you turn away, you are still partially blinded and can lose sound, which is so incredibly important.)

(Mort: no one plays cs_ maps in competition, so I won't overanalyze the use of shields in that context :))

When I play in a pub, I'm not always looking at the team score. In a scrim or match, yeah of course - ya gotta be ready to "take one for the team", and run away and save that awp/ak/colt. But sometimes in a pub all I do will be AWP or practice with some other gun, and that's so I can practice to use it in matches. Sometimes if a match goes well I'll be using the AWP for 3/4 of the game. If I'm only used to using it once every 6 rounds because I don't want to seem cheesy, well we just aren't going to win Of course sometimes I'm just playing with friends, intoxicated or whatever, and just there for a laugh. I'd say as long as you are not there solely to grief other players, play however you want to play CS in pubs, and have fun doing it.


This is my opinion.

have fun... what a novelty

i kinda slowly backed off from CS:S because my favorite server went offline

I don't care how much CS sucks. DoD is better anyway.

CS isn't about the better player, its about the one who has the better cheats.

The only CS I play is Cs original, and i haven't done it in ages.

I don't like CS. It's poo.

Those of you who can't counter an AWP need to realize that you CAN'T take a normal approach to them. Not to mention, it's got a slower projectile than the scout. I can snipe FAR better with the scout, and I've been banned from servers on my good days with it. I'm talking entire teams dead because my scout is a long ranged pistol.

By the way, pistols are FAR underrated in that game. I tend to do BETTER if I don't buy anything and just pistol everything. I just wish the game had melee.

I REALLY wished they'd try to lose the balance aspect that everyone repeatedly *****es about. A gun is a gun is a gun. I don't care if it's a P90, or an AK47. A bullet hits you from 5 feet away, you're against the wall and are now having a concussion. I can't handle the fact that all aspects of CSS are based on $ and kills, not teamwork and stratigies. If people listen to me, I can lead a team full of pistols into the advantaged team and win, not through kills, but through skill and silent work. Sniper rifles are for identifying weak points in the enemies activities. Grenades are crowd control. Flashes are diversions. Pistols are the weapons you use to kill. Rifles are your weapons to hold back the offense because if they do come out they'll DIE. Not because you're a good aim, but because an AK unloads fast enough that you don't NEED to be a good aim when a target sticks it's head out of the corner.

I need to play in a League, but I'm not nearly good enough.

JediKirby

I know, that is why I liked Desert Combat when it first came out. It promoted alot of teamplay type strategies to be effective to win especially on maps like Village (a map with onlly non attack transport Helo's). I wish CS could be like Rainbow Six with people actually playing somewhat stragically(sp?) but that will never happen anytime soon...

Snoop, get Raven Shield for PC and I'll paly with ya!

Most people play the game as a simple passtime where they can have fun without having to think very hard. Most of the casual players don't want to have to think hard to play; they want to play to have fun and relax. Or there's the others who don't have lives and want to play for hours on end to prove that they're the best player on the server and gloat in everyone's faces. Or people that fall somewere in the middle. Whatever. That, and with the game being as old as it is (and everyone knowing the effective tactics and approach that fit the above mindsets), lead to why people don't play the way you describe.

Regardless of wether it's the way the game is supposed to be played, it's the way the game is played. The honest truth to it is, it takes more effort to work as a team, to use advanced tactics, to think outside the box, etc, with too little gain, than it does just to run and shoot things and have just about as much fun. The average player doesn't want to exert that much effort when they're just playing casually to pass time relax. It's the same reason no one roleplays in MMORPG's; It takes a significant amount of effort to do so, with not a significant enough gain to warrant expending it, especially with people you don't know, and probably will never see again.

I mean, I see where you're coming from, and on some points I agree, but the fact is that it's just not realistic to expect everyone to jump into the game and start acting like a trained strike force with a bunch of people they don't know, for a 5 minute game where their life or death only means so much until the next round starts. It's much easier, and simpler, and about as much fun just to shoot the other team in the face.

I too gave up CS long ago. Far too many little childish punks with super egos that call anyone a faggit when they get killed play that game. The only Half-Life mods I play now (which I haven't played in a long time because of my WoW addiction) is Natural Selection and Day of Defeat. Yes, I realize that those mods also have there fair share of bad apples but they are less common than in CS.

I used to love DoD, but the community is just too small... at least here in Sweden. I mean, it's almost like "everyone knows everyone" which of course makes for good atmosphere all around, but finding a clan to join is quite hard. My friend for example plays in a clan with the well-known An1mal...

CS is very different... just join all the irc channels called like #try and see how many who want a clan.

CS is more stable in the long run, but DoD is far more fun to play with its respawn feature and the fact that all weapons are useful, unlike CS where AK/M4A1 rule the day.

I do my primary amount of pwning in CS with the cheaper sub machine guns, or the bullpup.

I do most of my killin' with the pump shottie and the p90.

With the introduction of CS_Assault on Source, I've come to like the shotgun combined with high places. Also, the map looks amazing.

Uh, Mort, you're wrong. It's not tactics, it's sheer invincibility. The only way you can harm someone with a shield from the front is with a grenade. You can only have one grenade at a time. Grenades almost NEVER kill in one hit. After that, if you've got a wall of shields moving at you, you're screwed. Think about it.

Also, Kirby, the scout is by far the WORST way to approach the awp, but everyone does it anyways. An AK or M4 where you can fire while moving and still be a little accurate, and have more than one shot at a time, that's the way to go.

JDKNITE--I really hope you're not talking about the autoshotty being hard to dominate with. For chrissakes, point and click. Recoil, movement, position in the air, crouching, none of it matters. Same with the autosniper.

Greedo--it seems like that would make it useful. But it'd be far more likely to make it useless.

Last I played CS, the feet were visible and shooting the feet did cause damage. Of course, things could have changed since then.

I don't think so, and even if this is the truth, by the time you start shooting at the feet (which is insanely reduced damage) they'll just pop you off with a deagle round or 15.

Nope, all projectiles in CS are instant.

And best way to approach an AWP? Go the other way

Oh I missed that slower projectile part. Yeah, it's all instant. The AWP has a slower ROF, that's all.

Thanks for telling me that =) I haven't noticed the update since 'twas a couple of days since I last played... I'm off for a game on assault now!

god the new patch that came out yesterday makes every game warpy and lagged. And the new Terrorist models look like midgets, there all short and fat and just odd looking. I think VAC is finally on though.

You know, as far I see, the dudes who SAJN kill are all noobs because they are so noob they can't stand up to him, let alone his weapons, thats what it boils down to, in other words SAJN is pretty good.

So because SAJN can kill noobs, he's pretty good?

Hell, I should make CPL next year with ease then.

Well, he is better than the noobs... thats my point.

EDIT: And they call him a noob for that.

We need some kind of birth certificate scanner for the PC, so we can weed out all the under 17s. Problem partially solved.

Because all people above 17 are absolutely going to be mature?

Edit: Then you add partially. :p

We need reasonable admins

AUG all the way!!

famas, 3 round burst aimed at head... pwnage

Kudos on that, it lagged a lot on assault... And my fps is just too damn low on certain maps... *must get a new comp*

Ok the shield being banned from CPL and such for being lame is bs...the shield has been banned from the legues from day one because it is BUGGED
The shield was and probably still is the most bugged thing in that game.

Thats the original reason and I'm sure it still stands.





Oh, and in CS:S the shotguns ARE noobcannons...headshots from across the map is BS and it happens ALL the time.

The shield onl bothered me because there's no shield that can stop Rifle/high caliber ammunition, period, that I know of, and certainly not indefinitely. It was annoying that there was no way to kill the guy until he made a mistake or was surrounded.

Then some servers started using a modded shield that took somewhat more realistic damage (didn't stop AWP bullets, or even any rifle ammo, iirc) and suddenly no one used them anymore because they were useless (cost enough that you can't buy them until a point in the game where everyone can afford guns that pierce it).

Again, as long as you work as a team, countering a shielder isn't hard. You just need one dude to draw him out and act as a distraction, while a second dude sneakes behind and takes him out.

The sneakiest and best organised team wins, instead of the one with the most skilled individuals.

Exactly. I get tired of retards yelling "OMG HACKER!!!" just because they suck.