Utah swat attacks a party without justification and with no warrant, gasses crowd, beats up teenagers (including one young girl)...

Here's a couple of accounts. (language warning)

http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020&page=1&pp=10

I know a few people who were there and they would confirm all of those statements.

I thought you left massassi?

Is there a news article though?

he did.

Watch as some people start to defend the police :p

YEah. Rave sights are going to be just a little bit biased.

yes, I'm just making a cameo.


I'm looking for the news article.

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]Not trying to question your honesty or anything but give us a credible source, flexor.[/QUOTE]

Those statements are first hand accounts, that's the most credible source there is. The news article is some made up cover up story.

Right, because teenagers at a rave won't have anything against the police who broke up their rave. Also, it's not like all those people who were there have any clue as to why the police where there in the first place.

There's a difference between being biased and simply making things up, though.

I got future posted.



Far from it, flexor. Actually, the links you've provided have about zero credibility.

What the deuce?

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]I got future posted.



Far from it, flexor. Actually, the links you've provided have about zero credibility.[/QUOTE]

Right, I mean, no one who was there could have possibly have known what happened. Gosh you people are such idiots.

[QUOTE=IRG SithLord]I got future posted.



Far from it, flexor. Actually, the links you've provided have about zero credibility.[/QUOTE]

Links doubleplusungood!

Flex, you're way too trusting of the people. My friend got 'roughed up' by the police, and showed me his 'bruise' which was...a red mark. Yeah. People exagerrate, especially about how the police handle them.

Sure, people who where there can describe what they saw, but there were a lot of people there, and not all of them are going to know much of what happened beyond the cops busted up the rave. Sure, it may have been a sanctioned rave and what not, but that doesn't mean the police didn't have a reason to be there. Like SithLord, I want more information beyond what some kids said happened before taking a stance on whether to cops were in the wrong.

I live in Utah, I'm with Flexor on this one. Cops here are so gay, here's a real source that backs up what Flexor's said about a girl being beaten in the stomach. Unnecessary force, beating girls . They use tasers like they are harmless little toys, and they came after me for TPing one time.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=97566&nid=148

I don't care if they "say" they were there or not. I have absolutely no reason to believe a word written by them.

That tells two different sides to the story, as would be expected from a new outlet. What a suprise they found drugs at the rave.

Shocking that the cops came after you for comitting an act of vandalism.

In the end, it's a "he said she said" story and people are going to believe the cops more than raving teenagers.

My speculation: The teens are pissed off because their party was broken up and drugs were found so they're trying to find means of discrediting police.

I believe what he means is, if there were people there doing something illegal, and didn't want to get caught, and did, then obviously they would try to cover their asses and try to make the police look like the badguys. Alternatively, those who were present during such an incident that didn't know if anything illegal was going on, and it was, then would think that the police were unjustified (because they wouldn't know the full story.)

Of course, I'm not saying that any of that actually happened, but just some food for thought. You can't immediately assume that the people that were there knew exactly what happened (both during the incident, and behind the scenes), that they were telling the truth, and that they weren't exagerating. People tend to exagerate a lot with things like this, guilty people tend to lie to cover their tracks, and the police are notorious for keeping their reasons and motives to themselves.

Which I believe is what he means when he asks for a "credible source", such as a news story. Personal accounts tend to be biased and unreliable, but reporters (the good ones, anyway) tend to try to look at something from all angles, interviewing both sides.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend either side in this, but you can't make assumptions, as educated as they may (or may not) be, when trying to ascertain the truth of a situation like this, so you can't really blame the other massassians for wanting to hear another side of the story.

Common, you're saying you've never TPd before? Omg dude, it's harmless.

didn't you leave "for good"?

It's still vandalism and vandalism is against the law.

Ah! Paranoia! paranoia!
Everybody's coming to get me
Just say you never met me
I'm running underground with the moles...digging holes
Hear the voices in my head
I swear to god it sounds like their snoring
But if your poor and your boring
The agony and the irony
They're killing me well...

And running away from the police after commiting an act of vandalism is kinda bad, too. I would say that the use of tazers in that case would be fully justified.

also i have heard about this from multiple sources, although i don't have a link either

The girl was beaten up. What happened to her is pure speculation until they find evidence that the police injured her. I'd more likely attribute her injuries to falling down and being run over by people trying to get out. Or perhaps things got rough in the mosh pit.

The people who are accusing the police are ones that were arrested. They have no evidence, aside from their word, as to what happened. The video doesn't show anything definite, and, as far as has been told, there's nothing physical to connect the police to the severe injuries of people.

Well I for one believe those accounts.. Cops are ****ed up...

Infact, after reading the second link, I am disgusting so few of you believe this. Look at all the freakin accounts? You think they would all manufacture a story like this??? Pull the ****in wool from over your eyes for god sake. This is pathetic.

Who says I ran? Wow, don't assume dude.

I don't think he was talking specifically about you. Nay assume that as well.

Who says you didn't? To say they "came after" you implies a sort of chase or pursuit, and I find it very hard to believe that someone who just TPed something would hand themselves over to the police.



(To clarify, I was speaking of that sort of situation in general, as Space_Bandit vaguely described what happened to him. If that's not what happened to him, the situation would still hypothetically justify the actions on behalf of the police, though it would no longer be relevant to the discussion.)

I'd think there's enough to convince any skeptic that SOMETHING happened. With the number of accounts and the amount of attention it's getting (I mean, it's not like we hear about every party that police raid) of it and all.

Not trying to question your honesty or anything but give us a credible source, flexor.

http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html

Heres a video...not the best but it shows basically non aggressive people, and soldiers in full armor gear with assault rifles beating the **** out of people, although it's not too clear whether those people were resisting, and also teargas clearly being set off on innocent people. Even if you are a skeptic there is enough to convince anyone that something wrong definitly happened here.

it shows nothing but them raiding the party from what I can tell, then the camera turning to see some kind of scuffle (in the middle of it even)

for all we know that person had attacked them. It looks like they finally had the person restrained they started to pick whoever it was up. same with the other two people. though correct me if I'm misinterpreting it.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]Well I for one believe those accounts.. Cops are ****ed up...

Infact, after reading the second link, I am disgusting so few of you believe this. Look at all the freakin accounts? You think they would all manufacture a story like this??? Pull the ****in wool from over your eyes for god sake. This is pathetic.[/QUOTE]

10 million people are indoctrined into the church of the Freaky Spaghetti Mutant. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands in Britain listed their religion as "Jedi Knight". Besides that, once influenced the right way, the mind can easily be tricked into thinking something happened that didn't happen.

I'm not saying it did or didn't happen, as I refuse to look at it either way. This seems more "I think it happened, I think it didn't happen." type of thing. Not my bag of tea.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html

Heres a video...not the best but it shows basically non aggressive people, and soldiers in full armor gear with assault rifles beating the **** out of people, although it's not too clear whether those people were resisting, and also teargas clearly being set off on innocent people. Even if you are a skeptic there is enough to convince anyone that something wrong definitly happened here.[/QUOTE]

I think I know what you mean. The guy turns the camera to show this guy in the red shirt on the ground getting the **** kicked out of him for a second. Then the cop circled raises his foot and kicks him just as the camera is turning away. That is what I saw.



Then the cop raises his foot and kicks just as the camera is turning.

Don't attack Flexor, it's a credible story as I hope (I haven't read half the posts ) that you have already found. It was a permitted event, not some rave some people decided to throw at a house or anything :P. Here's some links that might help you out:

Report by The Knick / Evol Intent
http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814

Sheriff's report:
http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

Here's another link to that footage:
http://www.abductionproductions.com/utahrave.mov

Found this part from someone else, "Apparently the media in Utah carried live IR feed coverage from the helicopter:"

I ****in give up. Cops can do no wrong. Stupid drug taking kids always making up stories. Nothing happened here. WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA???