Looters should be shot on sight. There is absolutely no excuse for the looting going on in New Orleans. You may say, "They're doing it to support their families." Well, an evacuation has been ordered and they can be supported if they go to the authorities. The looters are making a horrible situation even worse, and should be stopped no matter what. The looters are even shooting at police at night, and a policeman was shot in the head yesterday (luckily he is expected to make a full recovery). The police don't have time to chase this scum down when they are trying to save the people who really need help. Society would be much better off with the looters dead. In my opinion the people decalred their rights null and void when they decided to take such horrible actions. Actually, they wouldn't all need to be killed. After the first few looters were dead it would send a clear message that looting isn't tolerated.

Yes, I do have family in New Orleans who evacuated. They are sitting around wondering if their houses are full of horribly contaminated water, and if the houses aren't flooded they shouldn't have to worry about some waste of human life looter coming and taking all whatever they have left.

*Puts on flame retardent undies*

If you want links, go search on news.google.com.

I can understand stealing food and stuff in these situations, but from what I hear people are taking televisions, stereos, the usual... now that I cannot support.

OMGRACIST!!!

If they can get to a store or house to loot it, they can get to rescue crews and have the Red Cross feed them.

This rare circumstance provides a valuable insight into what a society would be like without law enforcement.

yes i'm quite sure its only the black people who are looting *rolleyes*

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2 points.
1: people are looting to survive, the stereos and stuff are yes, wrong, but there is no electricity, no running water, and grocery stores dont' exactly have daily supplies as of now. There is no other way for people to get supplies... literally, almost no businesses, no spare supplies, most people odn't even have homes, and 80% of the city is full of water... so 20% of the city can be used for helping people.

2: According to the news, police batteries run out, and theres no way to charge them back up. Police are trying to survive like everyone else, they have no way of communicating with one another. They stop and help where and how they can, but essentially, according to the news, CNN, MSNBC, the police (local) have no network whatsoever. NO POLICE NETWORK! (the army is another thing, but even then they can't help the entire city. Most people are still waiting for help, saying "where is the federal government?" The reality is it will take about a week to get the first or second major wave(s) of help in, including military, hospitalsand such. The navy boats and hospital boat will not arrive for another 5 days I hear.

Police, are, in short, often allowing people to loot, simply because of hte level of destruction and the lack of supplies for people.

so...

looting stereos and such... is stupid without electricity, and yes, wrong...but I hear that many people are looting to survive. And yes, it's getting out of hand. in many area, even gunshots sometimes, but many people have no other way to get food and water (there is some peaceful looting as well...probably most of it is)

That might not be the case. The flood waters could be such that it wouldn't be hte case. I agree that it's one thing to go and take food and water from grocery stores, as it's a matter of surviving until they can be evacuated. Besides, a lot of the food is going to go to waste anyway. At least it would be used to help someone feed themsleves and their family. Now, as to looting other things, that's not cool.

Okay, after having some supper and some time to think I really don't see a problem with going into stores and getting food. Of course, the police thing is fine because they need the equiptment to save lives and coordinate cleanup. It's the people who are breaking into jewelry and expensive clothing stores on Canal Street and the people stealing all of the weapons out of Walmart that need to be stopped. Oh, and I realise that the authorities are devoting their time to rescuing survivors, which makes sense.

How is that racist? They're from different sources.

I think the point was that when a black man is pointed out as looting, whereas two white people doing the exact same thing are called finding food. And I agree with it. Its almost subliminal the level of racial message behind it. But it's there.

**** everyone that thinks looting is wrong in this situation. Stereos and stuff, yes, wrong. But looting of food to stay alive? I honestly can't blame them, and I support them for doing so.

No it actually does raise a somewhat good point.

It only would if the same news agency did this. They're from different sources so no accurate conclusion can be made.

I can understand people looting for food and stuff, even though it's still BS they're not just getting to a shelter. However, it's stories like this that get me:

-People going through 6 feet of water to get into a jewelry store
-A looter shooting a cop in the head
-Looters setting a pawn shop on fire in order to cover their tracks (the pawn shop had stuff like firearms)

What the hell is with those people?



Even if they were from the same place no accurate conclusion could still be made.

The guy with the sacks could've been planning the whole thing while the couple found stuff floating by.

Or the guy with the sacks could just be hauling his personal belongings with him and the couple went to the store with the intent to loot and only found those few things.

Or, etc. etc.

Those pictures serve no real point since we don't know exactly what happened and wether or not the reporter is just exaggerating.

With so many looters using garbage bags, someone hauling their personal stuff in one could easily be mistaken for a looter, especially near stores.

I have to go into, (well across the lake from) New Orleans pretty soon. I'd guess we better bring a gun. I hope we don't run into any gangs.


What they need to do is patrol the city in Apachies. That would do it.

They need to keep the city like this, build houses on stilts, and get around in boats and jet skis.

-On man that would be teh awezome, y/n?

True but at least the comparison of how the same agency reports a similar event based on race could be drawn. If they fail to report substantiating information that is there fault, too.

They could use the gay Utah SWAT team, since they obviously have nothing better to do

He can point it out. It means nothing. Its a typo.

For clarification, I wasn't neccesarily pointing out your spelling error as a negative. I was pointing out the fact that he would try to use it against you in a campaign to prove your idiocy as a negative.

Understood.

NO MORE FLAMES ON THIS THREAD. I moved that discussion into it's own thread.

Which I am about to lock.

Stop deleting the post.

The posts are not deleted. It's been split into the thread called "Flame War over nothing." This isn't UBB. vB has the ability to eliminate waste from a thread and document it for comic relief.

Wow. Don't be alarmed, folks, but I agree with Temperamental, twice. I'm the last person to call racism, but it's not too much of a stretch to say that those captions are indicative of a certain amount of subconscious racism. Conclusive? Of course not. Thought-provoking? Yes.

Also, anyone stuck in New Orleans can take as much food and bottled water as they can carry, and as long as they're not hoarding it to sell later, I'm not going to complain. Of course, when it comes to electronics and jewelry, no sensible person is going to defend their right to take those.

You're brilliant.

it looks like a black woman to me... ewww

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Build a city in a hole, and it will fill with water when it rains.

Why is this concept difficult to understand?

exactly Rob

The New Orleans area wasn't always under sea level... It's currently sinking at a rate of 3 feet per century...

Ah...so when they built the city some 200+ years ago, and had it not been sinking, the water levels would be 13 feet above the ground instead of 20, because of a 7-foot difference.

The city was founded 275 years ago, actually. I'm pretty sure the Mississippi River Delta has something to do with it to, and pumping the groundwater from underneat New Orleans hastened its sinking.

The police are onto it. In their own way. Heh. Here's a weblog of some dude who's taken in refugees and set up a life webcam feed.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/36111.html?page=1#comments

[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Wow. Don't be alarmed, folks, but I agree with Temperamental, twice. I'm the last person to call racism, but it's not too much of a stretch to say that those captions are indicative of a certain amount of subconscious racism. Conclusive? Of course not. Thought-provoking? Yes.

Also, anyone stuck in New Orleans can take as much food and bottled water as they can carry, and as long as they're not hoarding it to sell later, I'm not going to complain. Of course, when it comes to electronics and jewelry, no sensible person is going to defend their right to take those.[/QUOTE]

Theres a difference between stealing food and hurting others to get food.

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I want to see this thread now!

I haven't seen any evidence that the majority of this food-looting is resulting in people getting hurt. If people are hurting each other, that's not okay, but it's a separate issue.

The police should be pulling guns and ammo from everywhere they can find. No matter what paranoid people think they're going to do with them, they're safer with the cops than they are with your typical (current) NO resident.

"Two hospitals were under siege by robbers who used axes, guns and metal pipes to steal pain killers and medicine, according to a pilot flying relief operations into New Orleans."

Those are the kinds of people who should be shot.

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I have no problem with any of the looters, actually. The food and water and whatnot are necessities and the rest of the stuff is hardly going to be salable after all this anyway. Insurance will cover the losses with the rest of the storm damage.

On another note, I'm also a little surprised at the amount of racism that's been surfacing.

The jewelry can still be sold.